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To: James Yegerlehner who wrote (13853)	4/10/1998 4:09:00 AM
From: Kashish King	Respond to of 39621

First off, I don't agree that being part of this universe is in any way a useful definition of existence. If you can think of it then it potentially exists. That goes for the elaborate teachings of world-wide cults to Alice's Wonderland to antigravity. Now, you made the point that the notion of an extra-universal space is arbitrary but I'm defining nothing about it other than to say that I believe such a place exists. It's just slightly more arbitrary than a wholly self-evident assertion such as there is something. We're running into trouble right away here with notions such as place and believe but that's only if you take them literally. They aren't meant to be taken literally, what I am saying is that there is something which, for lack of a better word, contains the universe. I am not making any assumptions about the physical laws, number of dimensions or anything else about it, only that it exists. This is about as simple a notion as one can get: a containing space with undefined qualities. I'm also conceding that this is a simple, elegant and common sense belief, not a fact. Now, the basis for that belief is current evidence which suggests the properties of universe were established at the time of creation which I define as the popular notion of the big-bang. The notion of time and physical space coincide with the big-bang and it makes no sense to talk about time or physical space prior to that event because, the notion of prior and event don't even apply. Continuing, if you accept the notion of a universe which coincided with the beginning of time within that universe, then a containing space of utterly undefined qualities is hardly as arbitrary as leprechauns since this model defines the universal set, the set of everything, up to and including leprechauns. I would hasten to add that I'm not making any assumptions about the number of universes and I'm certainly not claiming that any two are going to have the same properties or that only one set of properties gives rise to sentient beings. Finally, it is this quest which I consider to be our purpose and to the extent that medical science will surely achieve immortality for man (inevitable, a certainty) we will have plenty of time to pursue it and leave these Stone Age cults behind us.