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To: Dwight E. Karlsen who wrote (13910)	4/10/1998 9:48:00 PM
From: Graystone	Respond to of 39621

Jesus and Pilate or Do I get to talk to the President ??? People like Abby Hoffman, social activists, certainly did not get an audience with the President when arrested. Why was Jesus important enough to warrant this audience with Pilate if he was only bothering the Great Sanhedrin ? Apparently Jesus did not accept the authority of the Sanhedrin.

To: Dwight E. Karlsen who wrote (13910)	4/11/1998 12:07:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Dwight, I understand that you believe everything the Bible says. However, in the case of Jesus' death, there is quite a bit which is still unknown, and some of what the Bible says that does not fit the historical picture. Jesus was executed on a day when Jerusalem was filled with Jews celebrating Passover. Pontius Pilate had to come from his much preferred residence on the seacoast, because there were many times during these holidays when the Roman soldiers could not keep order. It is highly unlikely that Pilate actually had any conversation at all with Jesus. Crucifixion was the way lower class, common criminals were executed, at the entrance to town, as a warning to others. While it is possible that one or more Jews turned him over to the Roman authorities, it would have been only because, as had happened in the past, they were afraid of even more people being killed as celebrations got out of hand. The fact that none of Jesus' followers were rounded up is an indication that he was not seen as any kind of big threat. He was seen mostly as a rabble rouser by the Romans. The Gospels were written much later, and John's Gospel does not agree with the others about what crime Jesus had committed. John says that overturning the money lenders' tables happened at the beginning of his career. So it is not clear what he did to attract attention. While a legend has been built up that this was a very significant occurrence, if you were there it would have looked like the execution of a common criminal. It was not a big news event at all. In fact, this is one of the facts that some historians and theologians use when they wonder if Jesus existed at all--the fact that there is no record of him historically until later. The way the Bible portrays the crucifixion, it seems very newsworthy. But CNN was not there with its cameras running, and we really do not know a lot about what happened. His death was glamorized later, and my own opinion is that as the Christians realized the would have to branch off from the Jews and start their own religion, since the Jews did not totally accept Christ, and wanted to keep Abraham as their father, there were lots of stories that were altered or reemphasized to make the Jews look bad. The story of betrayal at the crucifixion could be one of them. In any event, everything I have read indicates that the Christians were a Jewish sect for quite some time. Are you saying something different? pbs.org