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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (13943)	4/11/1998 12:51:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

I am interested now in this concept. Was Josephus's possible accounts of Jesus Christ's life edited out by "the wise ones" who are able to edit things and pass them on. It is hard to believe for instance that in reading Josephus' books when I had a set of them available, that the references to Herod were chapter upon chapter. Yet Herod's life was in the time of Jesus. Wasn't Herod still king, one of the three Herods in a row, all more evil than the last, at the time of the Death? Josephus has one paragraph on Jesus and records his death. Strange that knowing that hundreds if not thousands of people were killed before Josephus began to write and DURING his writings that he would just not even mention Jesus any more than that, nor the aftermath, nor nothing, but go into EXHAUSTIVE detail on the murder of one of Herod's nephews at Herod's bidding. Many, many rats in the woodpile when you look at history. I know that all pagan writers about the Templars during their massive new revival of interest at the hands of occultists 700 years later all admit that all factual writings surrounding the Templars were scooped up by the senecals and minnions of the pope and satan in the body of handsome Phillip IV. That was a national and almost 6 country scooping up, and all that went to the Vatican vaults where the present writers indicate the "evidence" is sealed well into the next centruy when all possibly concerned will be dead. The guise of this confiscation on a world level was to present evidence against them and to keep people from digging up such terrible men. Actually, it buried all history of one of the most amazing groups of male that ever lived. All living for, obsessed with and devoted to JESUS CHRIST. Their daily routine involved over 50 Our Father which art in Heaven prayers alone. I have yet to see evidence of the mother goddess in that order. Still there, still locked up so none can prove lies. I find it impossible to believe the Talmudists from Babylon could not also have edited out all references to Jesus by Josephus, except for the factual paragraph. Does the one factural paragraph in a movement that involved the largest government on earth conspiring with local officials to hunt down and erase all followers of the Jewish heresy a little bizarre? What would that have entailed? Finding two or three handcrafted copies at best in the entire world, that's what. And simply tearing out that section, that's what. I could have done it perfectly myself. I don't think it's like the writings of Josephus were mass copied by Rabbis and distributed far and wide to the known world. And the Jews were not exactly popular except to themselves. I believe this would have been a piece of cake to do by even two or three people. That paragraph by Josephus has always struck me as bizarre.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (13943)	4/12/1998 2:16:00 AM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Respond to of 39621

Interesting, Emile. The Archko Volume sounds familiar. I think I've heard the name before, so perhaps that is the book which was quoted from. The Roman court record I was thinking of includes a brief physical description of defendant Jesus. Well, I hope I don't sound too lazy, and I am interested in historical tidbits, but the thing is I have no reason at all to doubt the accounts of the Gospel writers. When you say, Also contained in the Archko volume is a report by Caiaphas and Gamaliel's Interview. Very revealing secular documents that indirectly give tremendous support to the historical accuracy to the Gospel accounts., My reaction is very unreactive-like. My eyes don't flutter and my jaw stays on a firm plane. When a person reads the four Gospel books, one realizes a couple of things: First, not all the writers write about all the same events. Also, when they do all or mostly all write about the same event, there are some differences in exactly what words were said by Jesus, and things like that -- but the jist of what Jesus said is the same, meaning there are no major contradictions. All this may lead a person two ways: 1) Because of some minor differences, one may begin to doubt, or 2) One can realize that "of course!" Whenever several people witness an event or speech, people remember some things clearly, didn't catch other things, etc. Anyone who has been involved or read about police work knows this. But by comparing four accounts of the same event, a person can get the sense of what all four saw and heard, what only one or two may have seen or heard, etc., and come up with a picture of what happened. It is because of these small differences in the accounts of the Gospel writers that to me gives the Gospel accounts credibility. But again, I've never had any reason to doubt the Gospel writer's accounts, so I've not really thought a lot about this.