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To: Kashish King who wrote (9032)	4/13/1998 3:42:00 PM
From: The Ox	Respond to of 64865

While I agree that alot of McPeely's posting is so clouded in his point of view that the substance gets lost, the most recent post about the problems with JAVA SWING is an important issue for SUNW. Look carefully at the comments being made by this developer. While the last thing this person says he wants to do is use WFC, he may end up doing just that. It would appear to me that some of the issues with JAVA are glaring. Not simply the speed issues, but having a well thought out development environment is a MUST for the long term success of JAVA. While it's great that JAVA and it's many variations are finding their way in the embedded market and other avenues, having a first class development environment which can easily be used to create first rate/user-friendly programs is critical at this stage. JMHO and I'm long SUNW (currently), Michael

To: Kashish King who wrote (9032)	4/14/1998 8:01:00 AM
From: Dan Guinan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 64865

Rod and everyone else on this thread: Twister, McPeely, etc.. are the same old tiring game that M$crosoft has been playing for almost two years now. Twister has been posting nonsense continually for roughly that same time period. No-one, not even the most sado-masochistic M$crosoft fanatic would continue to shout nonsense for that period of time unless they were paid to do it. We all know that M$crosoft is an unethical company with unethical business practices. A manifestation of that lack of ethics are their so called "black ops". Basically, M$crosoft "black ops" aims at undermining their competitors in any way possible. One of those ways is to hire clever information "twisters" to attempt to undermine investor and consumer confidence. Techstocks.com happens to be a place where educated consumers and investors exchange information - it is an appropriate target. If you examine the SUNW threads, you will see that they are succeeding, primarily through decreasing the signal:noise ratio on the the various targeted threads and making them unproductive places to exchange investment advice. I APPEAL TO ALL OF YOU: DO NOT PLAY INTO THESE PAID "INFORMATION TWISTER'S" HANDS. DO NOT RESPOND TO TWISTER. DO NOT RESPOND TO ANYONE WHO RANTS, RAVES OR CARRIES ON LIKE TWISTER. IGNORE THEM -- KEEP THE SIGNAL:NOISE RATIO HIGH SO THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON INVESTMENT DECISIONS. THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT ;) Dan

To: Kashish King who wrote (9032)	4/14/1998 8:03:00 AM
From: Scott McPeely	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 64865

Java VM--virtually meaningless? zdnet.com It turns out--no surprise--that you are better off optimizing your operating system for Java, rather than running a Java VM on your existing operating system. Essentially, the JVM left out a few things that are needed for NC computing, such as central server management and allowing hardware vendors to write different device drivers. And the performance needed tuning, too. Why not just implement those on the VM? Well, the bottom line is that the fewer layers between your application and the hardware, the faster the application runs. It has taken us two years since the NC rollout to discover this? Apparently, for NCs, which are now basically dead in the water, to succeed, they need what is essentially a native implementation of the Java VM. And it needs to be common across different vendors' NCs. "This gives specific guidance to developers. They want one platform for network computers," said Janpieter Scheerder of Sun. So it seems that the VM as a common platform wasn't quite enough. ... So the Java mo rolls onward, and the environment becomes more robust and ready for IT prime time. All well and good. But write once, run anywhere? Depends on the application. Depends on the operating system. Depends on the platform. What else is new? ******************** Imagine, developers want one platform for network computers. You would think the Unix experience would have been enough but I guess it took Sun, IBM, etc. another two years of wasted efforts to figure out what developers really want.