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To: Dan Guinan who wrote (9049)4/14/1998 9:25:00 AM
From: Scott McPeely  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 64865
 
Perhaps this thread needs a bucket of cold water thrown over their
heads in order to shake the theory that Sun is spending money on Java
for the sake of world harmony. I found a link that describes Sun's
motives pretty well:

world.std.com

...

"Well and good. A technically-modern language has been created and
specified and seems to be gaining credibility. But what does Sun gain
out of all this? Is it just corporate philanthropy and altruism to
create this marvelous new language and distribute it widely?

Not hardly. Sun expects to make big money off of this. (Their official
answers can be found here. But I don't think they're giving the whole
story, as will become apparent.)

But where is the hot product? From whence does the torrent of money
flow?

Selling compilers? Nope, Sun isn't going to dominate that area. Too
many big names who are better known that Sun for developing compilers
are already creating Java compiler packages. Sun itself has a set of
development tools, but they're relatively primitive and Sun gives them
away.

Ah, but all of those other companies must license Java, and Sun will
pull in the bucks on license fees, right? No, the license fees are
actually pretty small, and nothing like high enough to pay for all of
this.

The real gold-mine lies somewhere else entirely. But to understand
where, we'll need to change subjects. We'll get back to Sun
and Java in a while.

...

Which brings us back to Sun, finally, and Java. Sun is now attempting
to break this hammerlock on the platform market, but they're using an
approach which has not been tried before.

In all the previous attempts to shift the market, the approach was to
shift the users first. Give the users a new and vastly better API
while retaining all the ones they currently use; wait until a large
installed base of the new API existed, then try to move the developers
to the new API.

Sun is approaching it from the opposite side: Shift the developers
first. Present them with the ability to develop their programs
for all existing platforms plus new ones at little increased cost
through use of a portable API, use this to create a large body of
applications which are not locked into any specific platform, then use
that to move users off of the platforms they currently use.

And Sun will be there, ready to go, with platforms to sell using both
software and hardware developed by Sun -- ready to cash in. That is
why Sun is doing all of this; that is the economic incentive that
makes this all worthwhile to them. The potential payoff is measured in
billions of dollars.

The goal is nothing less than to completely dislodge the entire
industry off of Microsoft/Intel/PC entirely, and (Sun hopes) onto
platforms for which Sun is the primary source.

The management at Sun are not fools; they know they can't do this
alone. They're not going to be a sole-source here, because the market
won't succeed if there's only one source of platforms. (All previous
attempts at sole-source platforms except one are now dead, and the
prospects for that one are looking increasingly grim.) But they'd
rather have a big piece of the new market they are trying to
establish, than what they have now, which is no piece at all of the PC
market. They have everything to gain and little to lose. The
investment is not that great and the potential payoff is colossal.

IBM failed in its attempt to make OS/2 dislodge Windows the way that
Windows had previously dislodged DOS, and OS/2 is now on the outside
looking in. But IBM still wants into this market.

IBM has thus allied itself with Sun on the principle of "the enemy of
my enemy is my friend". Since they don't seem to be able to dislodge
Microsoft any other way, they've committed considerable resources to
this new approach.

But this alliance must be an uneasy one, because if they do succeed in
breaking the Microsoft hammerlock, suddenly Sun and IBM will be in
direct competition - and they both know it.

...

The threat lies not in Java as such, but in portable Java. If the
developers begin to write their applications such that they become
portable, so that while they will run on WIN32 they don't require it,
then this presents the awful prospect (from Microsoft's point of view)
of creating a large pool of developers and products which users can
follow elsewhere, off of Microsoft's platforms. Certainly this is
exactly what Sun hopes will happen."


*********************

Shucks, and here I thought Sun's motive was to end all that is evil
in the world.



To: Dan Guinan who wrote (9049)4/15/1998 12:26:00 AM
From: paul  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 64865
 
I have friends at Web TV who have been there before the Microsoft buy - out. Web TV actually runs on a large number of Sun Systems - they may have an NT system as a file and print server somewhere.

also they have been implementing Oracle financials when the buy out occured , MS has been trying to get them to implement SAP.