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To: Grainne who wrote (14016)	4/16/1998 10:15:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

I would love to respond to you, Christine. But I believe I am not to do so anymore. There is no greek or hebrew in the Bible for drum. Drums are totally pagan, and your studies point to a tamborine. Period. The pagans tried to bring drums in, but history shows they were not accepted in the first century Christian church, and never showed up again until about l980. I do not lie. Nor was I ever a Hell's Angels' girlfriend. And HAD I BEEN, that person would have been miserably well behaved and it would have been short-lived. But, I'm sure you need to think about such things. I bring up the Dirty Dozen only in remembering what a joy all of the time around them was, what fun they were and how easy on the eyes. At no time do I remember a single filthy or even dirty comment. How much you and your followers could learn from them about how to enjoy life without the purient and disgusting for topics 24 hrs a day. That was my point. That compared to the Dirty Dozen, they seem in my mind now more like people at a church pot luck. My interchanges with you and others of your mindset have left me literally, and I mean literally, feeling just queasy. As in stomach-turned. Your conversations are always, how can I say this...well, they to me are unclean. I have tried to tactfully and not so tactfully show you that you indeed have the mind of satan, and very little of it is from God or scripture, unless you can turn it around to protect the things of satan and hide him. At this you are excellent. And the truth before God is this: if I had not seen where you were openly bashing my Lord Jesus Christ as being a lusting homosexual on Feelings, I WOULD NEVER HAVE LOWERED MYSELF TO JOIN IN THAT EVIL ATMOSPHERE. There have been things said there so disgusting Jill should have banished the entire posting crowd forever for the good of the rest. I read it for a couple of days when I was also posting on another nearly pagan thread, and was shocked to find "investors" with dirtier conversations than any of the working partiers I knew in Arizona. It seemed bizarre thinking about the difference. And how out of place so many trashy people seemed here. I'm being very honest now. And as for the Dirty Dozen, each day their memory grows dearer to me. Sad comment, Christine. You could learn a lot hanging around with them. You could learn how to think about other things than people's favorite perversions and bashing Jesus Christ.

To: Grainne who wrote (14016)	4/16/1998 11:48:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

I have re-read that pap of yours about drums. Again, I never said THERE WERE NO DRUMS IN THE WORLD. OR THAT CONSTANTLY SEEKING OUT BAAL WORSHIP INSTEAD OF JEHOVAH WORSHIP ON THE PART OF THE JEWS DIDN'T HAPPEN. The Bible states this on every other page. There were drums all through the mid east of various sizes through out history, I'm sure. ALL PAGAN IN ORIGIN. BUT NOT FOUND in the Temple of the God of Isreal! Only in the ceremonies of satan. David's dance in the STREETS involved the timbrel--a SMALL hand held drum-like thing, or else it would be called a DRUM and not a TIMBREL. Even if David had danced to voodoo drums only, it was still IN THE STREETS. He did not writh to drums naked, as we like to somehow translate, inside the Holy of Holies in the Temple. What I did say and repeat is that drums are of a satanic nature, and nowhere in OT Jehovah worship is there any mention of "drums". It does NOT appear in the Bible. You read my first post and it is exact. And factual. Your's has nothing to do with mine,or my point, but simply again points back to the darkness. And calls me a liar because you repost that I made statements you have not reprinted for content that I didn't seem to know there were drums in Isreal. I understand that drums are part of history and part of the darkness. I am quite aware that Isread according to scripture was quite part and parcel to the darkness for the most part. As is this country now, for the most part. Your responses are simply unbearable from an intellectual standpoint. I can hardly stand to read your words. So, therefore, I will not do it again. But I do plan to pray for you Christine, even though it seems to me to be a great waste of time, I will do it as unto the Lord. Now, understand this, and read my lips, o.k.? I am not going to exchange thought with you anymore. I find it unpleasant to do so. I hope you can respect my wishes on this. On the feelings thread you openly posted that because I oppose the sexual activities of homos I was lusting and hardly containing my desire to be one myself. You said that since I was Christian and knew much about current satan worship practicies in American that I must have been abused and molested, I guess by satanists, as a child. Here you suggest that I was passed around a motorcycle gang. You make these foul and filthy posts to people regularly. Oh, yes, there is a rather putrid post you made psychoanalyzing my relationship with Jesus Christ and knowledge of satanic doctrine and origin coming from your mouth and web sites you give people as indication that I was deeply disturbed mentally, and Feelings was such a compassionate place I could get help there. And what was the crack about swaztikas? Don't respond, as I don't give a flying fig what goes on in your dark thought processes or how the little steel balls bangs around in there like a pinball machine, taking in fact and twisting it back to ungodly arguments of any possible fashion. If you persist in posting vile and offensive statements ABOUT me which I can no longer lower myself to respond to you in private, certainly NOT, and in public, no more, I will be forced to drag out all of the offal I can find that has sickened me and take it to webmistress. Christine, your best decision with me is to find someone else to hound into response. I'm an ex legal secretary who did in fact mildly practice law without a license for a lot of poorer folk, and I do know what is going to fly and what is not. You have pushed this little battle as far as is necessary for your own good. I would just suggest you continue to post to anyone that care to argue with you. But I am specifically asking you now that you do not address any more thought specifically to my attention. I do not care to be forced to once again enter into discussions with you of any nature whatsoever on the face of the earth. Now, I really hope you can understand this and respect my wishes in this matter. Again, Christine, please do not address any more thoughts to me specifically. Hopefully you can leave it there. This is not an intense dislike of your personally, as I have felt intense dislike for the persons and minds of several who have come here for personal motives. Since I don't personally dislike you, please don't push it to where I must. Thank you. I personally dislike your conversations and will have nothing more to do with them as they are evil in nature and intent. Per the Websters: Evil refers primarily to WICKED. Wicked (Wiccan) is "morally bad: evil, sinful: fierce, vicious, harmful, dangerous (as in attack) [and most certainly to me above all people here find you] REPUGNANT, VILE. This is precisely how I have found all of your conversations not surrounding salads from your first word. Let's leave it there. You don't like my words any more than I like yours, and I respect that. I will do the same to you. No matter how your thoughts vex me to the utter core, I will just go to next and leave the problem to the Lord Himself. That sounds like a plan, doesn't it? Good.