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To: Redfisherman who wrote (866)	4/18/1998 1:06:00 PM
From: Joe Copia	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1757

did you see my post to GaBard? just a couple back. Would you answer it as you were referred to in it? Joe PTG&LI !!!

To: Redfisherman who wrote (866)	4/18/1998 3:41:00 PM
From: Kurt N	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1757

Making ethanol is a well known process, and with the right equipment almost anybody can make it (even though it is only LEGAL to do so for industrial purposes). If Arcon were merely an ethanol making company, I'd be wanting some 100% pure ethanol (before stuff gets added, that makes it unsuitable/unsafe for human drinking) solely for medicinal purposes mind you. :-) They could probably buy the ethanol, although it's probably cheaper for them to make it and I like the idea of a black-box that produces DF-144. The key is the post-processing that Arcon does to ethanol to produce the resulting DF-144 AND the blending process of regular gasoline and DF-144. Organic chemistry is fairly complex. The gasoline that they produce could be analyzed against the gasoline after the blending process is finished and (assuming you were very good) you could identify the dozen or so reactions to perform to your gasoline, but it would be cost prohibitive. I guess what I'm trying to say is that (as concisely as possible): x = final gasoline (with DF-144 blended in) g = gasoline produced by refinery d = DF-144 b = blending process x = b(g,d) [final gasoline is a function of the blending process]. You can solve for d if you know x,g,b (but b is unknown). x = r(g). [r is the reaction that you perorm on the gasoline]. This is solvable, since you know x and g. The problem is that you have to perform all of the reaction on a large amount of g. Kurt

To: Redfisherman who wrote (866)	4/18/1998 4:14:00 PM
From: Ga Bard	Respond to of 1757

Gordon your posts are exactly why the patent and composition is not going to leak out. They are not selling any of the plants either only the DF-144 from the plants. They know what they have and if other major names in the industry which I believe are far more savvy at ethanol than us see what they have then we will see major gasoline corporations stepping up to the bat. Simple as that. Arcon does not have to revulge the patent or the composite only the end product which is all they intend to sell. So I do not believe you are going to find out any of this information. Now I also posts two patent number somewhere in all my research but the patents are not registered in a corporate name. hehehe Means you have to have all the names of the individuals and hope they do not have a confidental registration because if they do you will not get it. If a major oil corporate does a deal with Arcon I guess this you are looking for is a mute point and they are in talks with several. GaBard

To: Redfisherman who wrote (866)	4/20/1998 8:59:00 AM
From: Lee Bauer	Respond to of 1757

Gordon, One thing you must consider about patents is that it is virtually impossible to cover an invention 100 percent. I have been in several cases where a competitor has made the exact same product and painted it blue instead of red and said it was different. Patents are made to go around. Let's just say that DF144 is well patented. The secrecy will allow Arcon to get into production and create revenues and improve the process and in the meantime they would be able to fight anyone that may infringe. Patent litigation is not only expensive but also time consuming and quite often no one wins but the lawyers in the end. I like to make an analogy: In order to get assistance from the government to avoid bankruptcy Chrysler had to show there future product. What they showed was a simple box minivan. Ford and GM also say these plans through leaks and the like but Chrysler had the edge even though the vehicle was "simple". Since that time and being the inventor of something "simple" that no one else though of, Chrysler has controlled 50% of the market ever since and is still the leader today. We do not care if this super trick technology. We would like Arcon just to have the leg up into production. The rest can and should take care of itself. A wise man once said that its the obvious solution that is sometimes the hardest to find. JMO, Lee