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To: Yaacov who wrote (14294)	4/19/1998 10:57:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

Yacoov, you're my kind of person! All of that stuff sounds like it must be interesting, but I know nothing of the first paragraph of names and references. But, William Wallace. Yes, Wallace and the Temple Knights. THere is an excellent Wallace thread which goes into more detail than I could find in the library. 1300's just wasn't a big century for newspapers and historians and columnists in France and Scotand and it's a miracle anything is known of that time. This thread that I trust shows that Wallace's uncle in the movie was not just a wonderful rogue warrior as portrayed, but actually he was a fervent catholic priest, one of the few. Wallace studied and lived with the uncle two years, learning there his many languages. He probably also wanted to be a priest, I have NOT DOUBT OF THAT> The Holy Spirit was still very much alive in Europe and was not just horrible dead catholic ritual and money making for the pope's treasury. That's interesting. Now add that Wallace was working hard to establish more catholic priests, and was able to set up a new catholic bishop or something all on his own. Now, add to that a book I read on the Bruce, which portrays the line of the Bruces more like the horrible old leper than the saintlike young son. Apparently the Bruces were old line pagans who despised the moving away from the old Scottish ways and gods and wanted the Stone of Scone brought back. THat's interesting. They in fact according to one historian were attempting to bring back the paganism of the Picts more than become christians. Of any nature. Now take Wallace's five missing years, I think five, in which it is only acknowledged that this travel was to Rome and Paris. What's in Rome? The Pope. Then Paris. Why, the French were not at all allies, and what would be the reason. The main monastery, which it was, of the Temple Knights was in Paris, except it was called something other than a monastery. My feeling is put it all together and the only possible sense that is made is Wallace went to the Pope for help christianizing/Popizing Scotland, and then with the Pope's vague permission, went to seek either help or possible knightly training from the Paris Perceptorie. The French and English kings at that time hated both Wallace and the Templars were in such a postiion to rule the world in a godly fashion if they wished that not too long before then there is a quote in one of the history books I read where the Master of the TEmple order in London, which was very respected, very loved, and very very powerful, the master, or father superior of a regular non-warrior order--is quoted as saying to this king, "Yes, you are king, but by OUR allowing you to be king, and you shall be king AS LONG AS YOU ARE JUST." That's what I remember. That was a king or two before longshanks, and it is said that that kind of growing threats to keep things right and bad kings under control was starting to cause a growing resentment among the kingly set. Remember that in French history the french monarchy somehow seemed to breed a couple of saintly kings. ESPECIALLY Louis IX. His beautiful wife complained that she thought she was marrying a king and found herself with a monk. Louis was constantly hanging around the Templars and since they had one of the strictest Benedictine rules of prayer and fasting and lack of sleep and none of the pleasantness of life, obviously a king who hung around them was constantly on "spiritual retreat". Anyway, I find all of it very interesting. What do you think about Wallace. That he was just a tough pagan?