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To: Graystone who wrote (10029)	4/20/1998 1:38:00 AM
From: JF Quinnelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

Think so, eh? Well, since you believe in subjective, "individual absolutes", then "absolute rubbish" could well be just plain old mediocre rubbish when measured by someone else's yardstick. An interesting world, isn't it, where these "absolutes" slide all over the measuring scale? ab.so.lute adj [ME absolut, fr. L absolutus, fr. pp. of absolvere to set free, absolve] (14c) 1 a: free from imperfection: perfect b: free or relatively free from mixture: pure <~ alcohol> c:outright, unmitigated <an ~ lie> 2: being, governed by, or characteristic of a ruler or authority completely free from constitutional or other restraint 3 a: standing apart from a normal or usual syntactical relation with other words or sentence elements <the ~ construction this being the case in the sentence "this being the case, let us go"> b of an adjective or possessive pronoun: standing alone without a modified substantive <blind in "help the blind" and ours in "your work and ours" are ~> c of a verb: having no object in the particular construction under consideration though normally transitive <kill in "if looks could kill" is an ~ verb> 4: having no restriction, exception, or qualification <an ~ requirement> <~ freedom> 5: positive, unquestionable <~proof> 6 a: independent of arbitrary standards of measurement b: relating to or derived in the simplest manner from the fundamental units of length, mass, and time <~ electric units> c: relating to, measured on, or being a temperature scale based on absolute zero <~ temperature>; specif: kelvin <10 degrees ~> 7: fundamental, ultimate <~ knowledge> 8: perfectly embodying the nature of a thing <~ justice> 9: being self-sufficient and free of external references or relationships <an ~ term in logic> <~ music>

To: Graystone who wrote (10029)	4/20/1998 2:01:00 AM
From: JF Quinnelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

OK, I can't resist: Absolute means nothing of the sort And is that absolutely true? I guess that would depend upon whose "individual absolute" definition defines the term. Seems that you want absolute to mean this and no other when it suits you, while at the same time you are arguing that "absolute" is an individual, subjective term. I guess you're just going to have to warn us as to which of your two meanings of the term you intend at any particular time: the absolute absolute, where absolute means the pure, ultimate form, or the relative absolute, where absolute can change with every individual, subjective perception. And that's the absolute truth. Or something.