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To: craig shipman who wrote (521)	4/20/1998 2:52:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 702

Craig; I wish he would open his heart, but their is a wound within this man that I will never understand. Emile believes the Heavenly Kingdom is now on earth with the Christian people he has got the cart before the horse. Another words we are not were he thinks we are. There will be a grafting in and a heavenly Israel when Yeshua returns he is thinking in the future and not the present. The stumbling stone is at his very feet and it is explained in the Bible very clearly the purpose of it. The only thing that can help this man is prayer and I do pray he will see the truth. It is a horrible thing for one to be cast into darkness and I wish it on no one. Alan

To: craig shipman who wrote (521)	4/20/1998 3:02:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 702

"Yeshua did not proclaim any other/new way of salvation, not Christianity" First of all, the New Testament was written in Greek, and not in Hebrew. The dominant language of Palestine and Egypt was Ptolmaic Greek during the days of Jesus. The Torah and the Tanach were read from the Greek Septuagint in all the Synagogues during the days of Jesus. From textual studies of the New Testament, it can be shown that almost every reference to the Old Testament by Jesus was taken from the official Jewish Greek Septuagint. When Jesus lived in Egypt, He spoke Greek. When He lived in Judae and Galilee, He probably spoke both Greek and Aramaic(the Old language of Cyrus the Great) Jesus also certainly knew Hebrew, but their is no evidence in the New Testament that He was ever called Yeshua. He is always refered to as Iesus in the Holy Spirit inspired New Testament. Every Apostle and disciple who were inspired to write the books of the New Testament called Jesus by the Greek name Iesus. If God and the Holy Spirit had taught it was important to give Jesus the Hebrew name of Yeshua in the New Testamen, they would have done so. Neither the Hebrew nor the Greek have any spiritual significance but facts are facts. It is inappropriate to try to change His name to the Hebrew Yeshua as if in doing so it gives his name some vodoo or magical language power. Jesus' name has power in any language, if invoked with faith. The only place where it is appropriate to call Jesus Yeshua is where men speak Hebrew as their native language as in Israel. I do not mean to offend but only to correct what is a foolish trend by those who have made and idol out of modern Judaism and the Hebrew language. (note the recent secret codes allegedly found in the Hebrew Scriptures by two antichrist Israelis. There is only one code that can crack the Hebrew Scriptures---faith in Jesus and the Holy Spirit. How could two antichrist Israelis who have a veil of unbelief over their hearts understand anyting about the OT.--codes, smoods).

To: craig shipman who wrote (521)	4/20/1998 3:19:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 702

"Yeshua did not proclaim any other/new way of salvation, not Christianity" Craig, this statement shows that you are either not a Christians or a poor user of the English language. The New Covenant is a new and living way of salvation. In the Old Covenant, our holy brothers having the faith of Abraham could only look towards the Cross and the Resurrection of Jesus by faith. The infilling of the Holy Spirit was rear thing given only when a special anointing was needed to fulfill the will of God. Man could not be Born AGain or have their spirit recreated into the image and likeness of God until the divind Messiah had been Crucified and raised from the dead. In the New Covenant, we are Born Again by Faith in Jesus. We are burried with Him in His Crucifixion and ressurected to the newness of life and sit at the right hand of God with Him through His Resurrection. This was not and could not be done in the Old Covenant because God had not opened this door yet. In Christ, God recreates our human spirit in His image and likeness. It is still necessary to renew our minds throus the Word of God and through the power of the Holy Spirit after wer are Born AGain but the recreated spirit within us is perfect. It is a life-long work to renew our minds and not be conformed to this world. The fact that you could make such a statement as "Yeshua did not proclaim any other/new way of salvation," compels me to ask, in all humility, have you been Born AGain and Baptized in the Holy Spirit since you believe in Jesus. Emile

To: craig shipman who wrote (521)	4/20/1998 3:27:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 702

My dear friend, Christendom has never rejected the Torah. Christendom -Christ--has fulfilled many parts of the Torah as in Leviticu and numbers, and have been preserving and living the Torah for the last 2000 years by having it written on their hearts by the Holy Spirit. It is your lack of understanding of Christian New Covenant teaching that causes you make such comments. You need to immerse yourself in the New Testament and the Old until you experience the reality of the New Covenant--The New and living way into the Holy of Holies. Sound like you are entangled in the meshes of the net, but you must let the Holy Spirit bring you in to shore. Regards Emile

To: craig shipman who wrote (521)	4/20/1998 3:33:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 702

"Christendom's rejection of Torah and acceptance of things Pagan is a tremendous stumbling-block that prevents many Jews, who would otherwise believe, from embracing their Messiah." This victim psychology cannot be applied to salvation in Jesus. The stumbling block that stops a Jew or anyone else from embracing Jesus is a hardened and unrepentent heart that does not desire truth and reality. A broken heart, and a contrite and huble spirit is what is needed in every man before the Holy Spirit can snare them. Those are the ingedients that go into making a Christian. Trying to blame others behviour for your pride and arrogance against the truth is not acceptable to God. Modern Judaism has become the master of "victim psychology". All of their problems are blamed on other peoples. Now you are even trying to blame their rebelling against God on other people. Persecution this and persecution that, ad infinitum. The modern Jews have made an industry out of persection mythology. There is one major problem with the modern Jewish nation that is the key to all its other problems, and that is the rebellion against God and their rejection of the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah. Regards Emile

To: craig shipman who wrote (521)	4/21/1998 4:04:00 AM
From: Jamey	Respond to of 702

Hello, Craig. It is almost a travesty of Biblical truth the way so many Christians do not comprehend this statement of yours. You state: "Yeshua did not proclaim any other/new way of salvation, not Christianity, and certainly not any other Pagan or Jew-hating religion." I am happy that you made this statement because Christianity was not introduced until Paul's ministry. Jesus came specifically to the house of Israel. "5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 10:5-6 "24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 "22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." John 4:22 Even after Israel was scattered from Jerusalem by persecution that arose because of Stephen they "Preached the word to none but unto the Jews only." The record is crystal clear! But now during Paul's ministry the circumcision and the uncircumcision became reconciled into one body. Read Ephesians 3 for the answer. "3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words." Also Ephesians 5, 6 "5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:" It is so evident that the Lord initiated the program of Grace by way of a message he revealed to our apostle Paul that he calls The Mystery hidden in Himself until he revealed it to Paul. There is a "GREAT" difference between Peter's preaching of that"whuch God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began" (Acts 3:21) and Paul's proclamation of that "which was kept secret since the world began." Romans 11"11 "11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy." Romans 11:15 "15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?" Romans 11:25 "25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." I am so tired of Christians today that say well Peter or John are my favorites, so I believe and follow what they say. PAUL" "For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the APOSTLE OF THE GENTILES, I magnify mine office." ROMANS 11:13 Please, please, Christians! We are to follow Paul's teachings. He is our Apostle! If you are following Peter or John you are teaching the Gospel of JUDIASM!<?B> God give us all understanding. The Gospel of Grace is our Gospel. Not the Gospel that Jesus taught to the Jews. In Christ, James

To: craig shipman who wrote (521)	4/21/1998 1:51:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 702

"Yeshua did not proclaim any other/new way of salvation, not Christianity, " Craig, you've been on my mind and in my heart as I see in the spirit a tug of war for your soul. A certain terror fell upon me for your soul. I can see Satan trying to tear you from the simple Gospel of our Lord Jesus. The Holy Spirit is obviously doing a work in your life, but Satan is also busy trying to destroy this work. May the Holy Spirit open your eyes to the truth according to the sincerity of your heart. These Scriptures came to my heart as I meditated on your words. (Righteousness by faith and not by the works of the law.) Gal.3 1.Of foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that you should not obey the truth....2...Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Gal.2 21.I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Rom.10 4.For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. .... 17.So then faith cometh by hearing(believing), and hearing by the word of God. ------------------------------- (In Christ, we are justified by faith without the deeds of the law) Rom. 3 20: Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21: But now the righteousness of God without the law* is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;* 22: Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: ......... 27: Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28: Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. ------------------------- (The righteouness of Abraham was by faith and not by the works of the law) Rom.4 2: For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3: For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4: Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5: But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6: Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousnesswithout works, -------- Rom.6 14. For sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are not under the law, but under Grace. -------- Rom. 8 9.But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.