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To: Darren who wrote (1424)4/20/1998 2:36:00 PM
From: shag007  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1618
 
Darren I think what cp is saying <<how often do soes traders sell short on down ticks?>> is that
SOES traders often sell short against the box.
And that does not help the market in general. legal?

FDA



To: Darren who wrote (1424)4/20/1998 7:26:00 PM
From: cp  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1618
 
darren thanks for the info. i still believe that soes trading has made the mkt more volatile and has not provided much liquidity. the reason why spreads have tightened is because of the new order display rule. mainly instinet bids and offers displayed in nasdaq. mkt makers who are uninvolved in the stock (meaning they have no current orders) tend to keep their spreads extra wide as there are no longer any excess spread rules. from the beginning nasdaq should have given everybody excess to soes including mm's . that would have kept the playing field level . see you, cp



To: Darren who wrote (1424)4/21/1998 1:37:00 AM
From: David E. Henry  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1618
 
<<If the spread in a stock is 1/2, I can buy 1/16th above the Bid and sell 1/16th below the Ask all day long for a 3/8th gain.>>

Really? Sounds great! But how realistic is actually doing this?
Do you do this? A lot?
Name some stocks and situation where you can do this and some situations where its almost impossible to do this.

Dave



To: Darren who wrote (1424)4/22/1998 12:19:00 AM
From: Tony Peng  Respond to of 1618
 
A quick check of the intraday trend is a prudent measure to take when one tries this. If you read what Pristine has to say about this kind of scalping, you'd think everybody could just mindlessly profit this way.

Minimum Increment Rule allows shorting on downticks. The fact that a short is made 1/16th above a downtick does not "create an uptick" but rather fulfills the exchange req't. of an execution at least 1/16 above the downtick bid.