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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Janice Shell who wrote (20683)	4/20/1998 9:02:00 PM
From: jpmac	Respond to of 108807

I bet black-eye Susie for one would have her feelings hurt to hear someone say she didn't have a face. She's got an eye doesn't she?

To: Janice Shell who wrote (20683)	4/20/1998 9:15:00 PM
From: Lady Lurksalot	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Janice, You are sooooooo right. Plants have feelings and they do feel pain. Have you ever heard asparagus scream when harvested? Rutabaga? Well, I mean to tell you, the sounds they make can really chill your blood. Holly

To: Janice Shell who wrote (20683)	4/21/1998 4:38:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Yeah, okay, so flowers have faces!! And I am very sure carrots have feelings that are hurt when they are rudely ripped out of the ground. Obviously, from all the studies that show that house plants thrive when they are talked to, and prefer classical music, if you get too sensitive you are going to starve to death, because there wouldn't be anything you could eat. However, there seems to be a lot of cruelty in the American meat packing industry. Here is a book review which describes livestock being scalded, skinned alive, etc. sfgate.com I also think mad cow disease is here, even though I don't think anyone has been diagnosed with it. We have the same animal husbandry practices that England did, so it's just a matter of time. I think your meat over there is maybe better--I know that in a lot of European countries, antibiotics are not allowed. Here, they are. I think the philosophical question is whether it is really important that animals that are raised for meat are treated humanely. I feel even worse eating a free range chicken than a regular one that lived cramped in a tiny cage all its life, unable to feel the sun on its feathers, beak clipped, etc.--because I know the free range chicken had a LIFE at one time. A lot of this is cultural. As a culture, we are becoming more empathetic towards animals, a little at a time. I don't think anyone ever thinks of how fish essentially suffocate after we catch them, and how scared and panicked they must feel. And believe it or not, I was reading a thread somewhere here--maybe Ask God II--and someone was talking about using kittens as bait for pike. My goodness!! They are mammals, with happy, long lives, well-developed feelings, capable of love, as you must know from your own experience. Bon appetit!!