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To: Lawrence Burg who wrote (4014)4/24/1998 4:59:00 PM
From: Casey  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6467
 
Lawrence:

<<I do have one comment/question for you, 'tho. A few posts back you mentioned your confidence in TA to trade, but not for the long term. But you mentioned using a 90 day period for the Moneyflow. Not sarcasm or an attack here, but could you explain?>>

You misquote me somewhat. Here's a brief treatise on Casey's Approach to TA, Part I.<g>

First, I stand by all my earlier TA posts with no change in wording.

My premise is that, imo, TA is useful for short term trading, but not for long term forecasting of price action. I patently disbelieve in TA pattern analysis for predicting price action. By this I mean using the occurrence of 'head and shoulders top', 'double bottom', 'triple bottom', 'cup and saucer' etc. as a basis for taking a postion. For every case where someone puts forward an example where these price patterns have confirmed the TA prescription for ensuing price action, I can find you many, many more that dispute it. Further, some people see patterns where others don't, a lot this stuff is in the `eye of the beholder'. From this you can draw the inference that I think Elliot Wave and like theories are pure nonsense. All just imo, of course.<g>

Now, what I also said is that I have discovered a price - volume indicator that for me, has a predictive accuracy of ~90%. I also agreed with Gary that this pattern gives no accurate timing for the predictive occurrence. I also pointed out to Gary that it requires a few trading days to form as a pattern (~10+). For these two reasons, this is not what I consider a short term predictive trading tool such as stochastics and other momentum oscillators.

So, when I discover the bullish convergence forming, and I decide to try to trade it, I do it this way: (I never short, so the only pattern that interests me is the price-moneyflow bullish convergence. Also, I have experimented with put and call options, but it's too costly because of the spreads, so I stick with one action - going long the stock). I place an 'on stop buy with limit' order at a price point just above a key resistance level on a good until 'x' basis. If the price keeps declining, I may adjust my on stop buy downwards. If the bullish convergence dissipates, I remove the order. If I get my expected price pop, then I'm long the stock. If the volume on the price pop is low or only in line with the daily average, I sell immediately even if there is a small loss or trivial gain. If the volume is large, I put in a sell order just under the next key resistance level. I will typically exit the order (or be taken out) within a couple to five days - on some paper trades, I would have held longer. I haven't had one yet, but if the stock price really started to run, then I would place an `on stop sell' - with no limit, (so that it will become a `sell at the market'), just below the most recent support level (if there is one) and then tighten this up or sell if the price actions starts to level and volume falls. I never put the buy or sell on a round amount. It is always an odd price i.e. $3.01 for a buy, if I judge a resistance level of $2.90 - 3.00 that has to be broken through; say $2.99 for a sell if I judge $3.00+ as a support level. This is because most buy and sell stops, in fact most buy and sell orders are placed at the rounded prices.

Now in one of my earlier posts, I gave a url where one could clearly see the bullish convergence for TTRIF. I spotted it in early March. I didn't trade it for three reasons, 1. TTRIF is on the Naz -can't put in on stop orders; 2. by that time I already owned stock, so, I used it to average down; 3. the problem with this is, the whole lead-up and trade has to be monitored very closely. When you have a full time job, it's difficult to monitor and execute properly. That's why I said to Gary that this was something that I would be doing when I retire to supplement my income in my geriatric years.<g> BTW, the theoretical TTRIF trade would not have been much better than a wash anyway - I would have been in at a little over 1 « and stopped out at a little above this within three trading days, unless I would have been more aggressive and were able to monitor the whole lead-up and trade in real time.

I'll post Part II of Casey's Approach to TA separately. It deals with the understanding of the phenomenon of `support and resistance', which is critical to successful trading, imo. I have to dig it out from an earlier post I made on another thread a few months ago.

Oh, btw, please message me an address where I can send the bill.<g>

Casey



To: Lawrence Burg who wrote (4014)4/24/1998 5:03:00 PM
From: Casey  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6467
 
Lawrence:

<<I do have one comment/question for you, 'tho. A few posts back you mentioned your confidence in TA to trade, but not for the long term. But you mentioned using a 90 day period for the Moneyflow. Not sarcasm or an attack here, but could you explain?>>

Casey's Approach to TA, Part II Support and Resistance 101

I posted this earlier this year on a couple of threads where people seriously misunderstood how to interpret this phenomenon.

IMO the best way to understand these terms and concepts is as follows: Price charts for stocks are built from three variables, daily/weekly price ranges, trading volume and time. Looking at the historical price movements on a price chart, one can identify periods where the stock price 'consolidated' i.e. the price moved within a narrow trading band over a period of several days, weeks or months. These periods of price consolidation interrupt periods of more radical price change, either up or down. These periods of price consolidation become either a support, if the current price movement is moving down towards this previous consolidation level, or a resistance, in the case where the price movement is moving back up toward a previous consolidation level. The strength of the support or resistance is more accurately measured by the volume of stock traded during the consolidation period, than by the duration of that period. (TA in general, and these concepts in particular, do not apply very well to an illiquid stock). However, the further back in time the support or resistance level is, the weaker it is considered to be.

Why? The reasoning is as follows:

If the price is dropping from a recent level, traders will look back in time at the price chart to find the most recent periods of consolidation, and will label these as a support levels. The expectation is that demand will still exist at that/these price level(s) - once the stock price hits that level, it is expected to bounce off it, as new buying will come in. The most simplistic reasoning is that a large amount of stock was being accumulated during that previous consolidation, and there will still exist some buy orders at that price level - from those that are still sorry the stock 'got away from them'. Newsletter writers or analysts who were pushing the stock at these previous levels will be communicating to their subscribers that another buying opportunity is at hand. Speculators (day traders, SOES bandits, etc.) will therefore act on this - expecting a bounce, and short sellers will exacerbate it by tending to cover their positions at the support point. Therefore, demand halts the fall or even reverses it. Support.

If the price of a stock is moving back up after a period of retracement, traders will again look back in time at the price chart to find the most recent periods of consolidation, and will label this as a resistance level. The expectation is that the price advance will stall or even reverse at this level. They anticipate a supply of stock at this level which will halt the advance. The simple reasoning is that there now exists a lot of investors who accumulated the stock in the past with the expectation of a price rise, and these investors now feel that they are left holding the bag. They will be happy just to get out of the position without a loss - it's a psychological thing. So they are waiting there with their sell orders ready the minute the stock approaches their initial entry point. This stock in the hands of these types of investors is referred to as supply or overhang. Once again, speculators anticipate this and participate, thereby further amplifying the result: the professional shorters may pick this as an entry level if they feel this will be a deadcat bounce; day traders will sell out their long positions and may take the short side of the trade; Nervous longs may short the box, etc. Resistance.

A breakout is when the stock price moves through resistance to a record high. There is no further supply/overhang and the sky's the limit. Short squeezes often amplify these breakouts.

It most certainly is more complex than this, but the foregoing certainly accounts for a large part of the phenomena.

Casey