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To: Jamey who wrote (14633)	4/27/1998 3:22:00 PM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

James <<Christine, Civilizations do not prosper or survive based on your liberal philosophy.Thats fact. What you espouse would eventually have us end up like the long buried Roman empire.>> With all due respect, that is opinion and not fact. Many people (okay, at least me:-) ) consider the measure of a society as how well they treat the least of its citizens. Liberal philosophy is basically an attempt to make sure that fairness and equality are the prevailing ideals of a society. Those are traits that most people would have trouble arguing against. How well those traits are administered by any particular politicians are another matter, but that is the fault of the system, not the philosophy. Again, I am no expert, but it would seem to me that the core tenants of christianity are very "liberal philosophy". given Jesus' words during the backdrop of the historical times they were made in, they would have been very liberal indeed. JMHO Mark

To: Jamey who wrote (14633)	4/27/1998 4:19:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

James, many civilizations based on human sacrifice, animal worship, and almost any other belief system you can imagine have lasted for several thousand years at least in ancient times. Many of them added at least as much to inventions, art, and basic human knowledge and development as any Christian society ever has. When you take into consideration the Inquistion, during which estimates ranging from several hundred thousand to nine million women were burned at the stake as the Christians swept across pagan Europe, and the Christian anti-Semitism which was a large factor in how the Holocaust was allowed to happen, an argument could certainly be made that civilizations do not prosper or survive any better under Christianity than under any other belief system, and may leave quite a few victims in their wake as well. Incidentally, I don't think I answered your previous post to me about homosexuality and the Bible. Only some Christians, very conservative ones, still interpret the Bible to mean that homosexuals are sinners. Many mainstream Christian churches now welcome homosexuals. There is evidence that some passages which were about homosexual prostitution, or heterosexuals committing homosexual acts, for example, were misinterpreted and mistranslated, and are now wrongly perceived as being about homosexuality in general. Some biblical scholars believe that Naomi and Ruth had a long and stable lesbian pairing. Jesus seems to be stressing loving one another in committed relationships, and does not mention homosexuality at all. whosoever.org whosoever.org members.aol.com

To: Jamey who wrote (14633)	4/27/1998 9:10:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

><>...Evening James, CGB is not interested in how civilizations..><> prosper.Unfortunalely CGB is only interested in what the urls on the www say to affirm her belief in a godless society. Godless except of course, for the gods that she and others like her, put their faith in. I assure you she does not come to AG for any good conversation or social gathering. Just look at the pattern. She has total disdain for, and is completely intolerant of, those of us who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and believe Him to be God. Last week there was a special on the news concerning a lesbian who has been sleeping with a man (God forbid), and other lesbians from the community where she lives spoke out against her. They said she was not being honest with herself, and that she was ruining the reputation of lesbians. I guess because this was putting a damper on their message that this behavior (Lesbian) was supposed to be genetic! What a laugh. Tolerance? They came down on this poor woman like white on rice. Liberals ha,they preach tolerance, and practice intimidation! Genetics? Thousands who have come out of that behavior have and have candidly told of that lifestyle, have said inconclusively that it had nothing to do with their genes, but had everything to do with their choice of sexual partners! But I suppose there are experts (right now as we speak) in the field working on some way to discover a gene that they don't quite understand.....in order to announce that cheating on one's spouse, (Adultery) is also a just genetic flaw caused by God! And that this gene is also related to another bad gene which causes people to steal, and lie, and carjack, and mug and murder,etc,etc,etc! There will be no stopping the liberals if this homosexual thing and its related bad gene factor is accepted....Actually there is no stopping them anyway. They so want to relate with God, even the God that they disdain, but only on their terms. God help them. Have a good evening James Shalom...><> BTW how is your web page coming along?