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To: mark silvers who wrote (14655)	4/27/1998 5:24:00 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

mark, do you think any particular organized belief structure (i.e. 'religion') has a clear picture of the form of God, or has received clear instruction from God? This seems to me the central question, and has never been answered, imho PS - well, ok, it's been answered a lot, but never proven

To: mark silvers who wrote (14655)	4/27/1998 5:59:00 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 39621

Okay, well, I believe something very similar to what you are talking about. I believe several very wise men, or prophets, Jesus being one of them, definitely, have visited the earth over time, and they are known and become historical figures because of their wisdom. Religions are started in their names, but really if you look at what they are saying, there is much commonality in what all these wise men have said about the right way to live on the earth. I am not sure whether there is one God looking over everything, and I do not believe it is necessary to believe in an external God to respect Jesus' teachings. In fact, in the Gospel of Thomas, which was discovered quite recently, God seems to be the truth within, not always an external figure at all. This falls much closer to Buddhist belief. pbs.org I wrote a term paper in college arguing that if God did not exist, man needed to invent him. I think primitive man in particular, because the world was such a large, scary and dark place, could not contemplate being alone here, with only the animals and trees and rocks and oceans and the wind for company. I did stumble across some urls the other day about a book that was written in 1875, by a man named Kersey Graves (it's still in print, however) called "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors". This is the table of contents, which shows that there are many similarities between all these early belief systems. Several of the saviors, for example, are born on December 25, which is the traditional birthday of the early sun gods on the calendar. We know from the position of the stars in the sky that Jesus was not really born on December 25 in Jerusalem. The Celtic god Hesus (I am sure you will notice the similarity of the names)was crucified in 834BC. The symbolism of the lamb is borrowed from a Druid god who was crucified with a lamb on one side of him, and an elephant on the other. infidels.org This url is a summary of one chapter, which goes into detail about each of the gods. One of the best things about this is that it also discusses the teachings of these crucified saviors, and of course basically the same things are being taught by all of them, and that is where we get to the core of spiritual beliefs. infidels.org It seems that crucifixion and resurrection were very important symbolic events. As Joseph Campbell says in "The Power of Myth", "Virgin birth is the birth of spiritual man out of animal man . . . When you are awakened at the level of the heart to compassion and suffering with the other person, that is the beginning of humanity . . . It is the suffering that evokes the humanity of the human heart."

To: mark silvers who wrote (14655)	4/27/1998 8:37:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

mark, I think that the deception of what you and Christine post is very suttle but just as deadly as satanism and other occult religions because what you preach will keep people from Jesus and therefore kill them for eternity. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and no one will enter the Kingdom of Heaven unless they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Spirituality is the center of all false religions and is a breeding ground of all manner of falsehoods and spiritual deceptions that keep men separated from their true God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Bob