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To: TheNazz who wrote (901)4/28/1998 6:32:00 PM
From: Sven H Khatri  Respond to of 4230
 
I have no clue what to make of the trade. Could it be a typo?

Sven



To: TheNazz who wrote (901)4/28/1998 7:24:00 PM
From: PistolPete  Respond to of 4230
 
Use The Force, Luke

Beats me. I saw those trades when I finally got back from the track today and they didn't make any sense to me either. The ask was at 1.312 shortly after that. Some out there apparently believe the worn line that "smart money sells on good news". I think that's BS in this particular case. Good Lord, we've got a BB that is Voluntary Reporting, with outstanding 1Q EPS and a great outlook and plan for the year; yeah, like I'm gonna sell.

I got my confirmation that I'm in "safekeeping" today and I am, as most of you know, in for the loooonnnnggg haul.

If you are new to this board and haven't read all the posts (you might have to take a couple of days off to do that)..call your certs into safekeeping...NOW! We've got awesome fundamentals on our side and something only Dr. Hunter S. Thompson could understand on the other side: we will win, just hang together.

Tomorrow: Turns 2 and 3 at 140 mph!!!!! Cowabunga!!!



To: TheNazz who wrote (901)4/28/1998 8:58:00 PM
From: Richie Rich  Respond to of 4230
 
I am new to SI. Where do you view the Min. by Min. trades as displayed in reply #901

Thanks!



To: TheNazz who wrote (901)4/28/1998 9:12:00 PM
From: brodway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4230
 
NAZZ HOLMES....you found a great piece of information....
Without even realizing it.
I'm very surprised that you actually couldn't pinpoint the source of that trade. You out of all the great philosophers, should have been all over this thing. I'm ashamed of you.. LOL.
Well here's what my make is on this "overtime" event.. The best thing to do Nazz, is to put yourself in the shoes of the people you are trying to figure out. Start thinking like them.
First, just think of what time of the month it is? No not that.
Its the end of the month. When all the market makers need to clean up their trading sheets, meaning they must clear up their short positions. This is more or less a requirement by most clearing firms.
Now lets take this one step further. You are a market maker, who is short maybe 300k shares of stock, anywhere between 80 and 90 cents. The stock was down there for a few days, if you remember; hopefully those were the days of the past. So now, all of a sudden you have got to cover that short. There's only one problem, the stock is no longer 90 cents, nor is it 50 cents, as most of these slimeballs were anticipating, it's now over a buck, way over a buck.
So what do you do, where do you go, who is going to get you out of this jam? Not to worry Market Maker, your buddy Market Maker B is there like a faithful dog. Ok, what now? Well, since you need to clean up your short, and not at a higher price as most of you expect, his buddy SELLS him 250K shares at about the same price he shorted the stock at in the first place (hint, hint, 80cents), and WALLA!!!! no more short. Not only that, he no longer has a LOSS in his account(remember since the stock went up from the short price, and the net result is a loss, that loss is reflected in their net capital, which they can't afford). Hey, how can they do that, you ask?
Well, it's called the old market maker pass the bottle routine. Just think about it. Market Maker A is short 300k shares, his buddy Market Maker B sells him the stock at the price he needs it at(of course, they do it after the close so no one spots it), and he's no longer short, and he satisfies the regulations imposed on him by Nasdaq and his clearing firm. Now what does Market Maker B do, he is now short 300k shares that he sold to Market Maker A. Not to worry, buddy, i'll buy it back from you in a couple of days, and you'll be OK as well. Net Result??? Nothing really changed. The Market Maker who is short, just played Nasdaq and all regulatory authorities like a fiddle. As you can imagine, they all play this tune very well. They are pros at this and they know how to get around the system.
In regards to the other trades after the close, these were all buys. They all traded at the offer, and higher. No secret there, straight forward buying. In fact, i think that Market Maker A went out and bought some stock himself after the close, because Market Maker B couldn't help him out on more than 250k. Also, if you look at the last two trades, these were nothing more than a double print. Part of the reason, we have been seen such crazy volume of late.
Well there it is. My little view on the situation. If you think, its too far fetched, don't underestimate the Market Maker.

Hope you all found this fascinating,

Best regards,

Brodway.



To: TheNazz who wrote (901)4/28/1998 9:25:00 PM
From: TheNazz  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 4230
 
I went back and checked "time sales" to try and make some sense of what happened today. During regular trading hours volume was 927,800, not including the 250,000 trade. I added up the total number of shares that traded from the time the stock started to down tick till the time it traded at the low (1.20) and found out that the MM's took her down on relatively low volume (compared to the days vol) 196,300. Of course that included several (4) of those infamous 10k trades that always seem to go off when the MM's decide to attack the stock. It really makes no sense for me to count the number of shares that traded at the ask during this time, because some trades are posted in an untimely fashion making it difficult for me to determine if they are buys or sells. It took approximately 45 minutes for the attack to subside. This must have been some sort of organized short attack as it started at exactly one half hour into trading (with the exception of a few large blocks going off at the bid prior to the attack).

A friend of mine had a buy order of 5k in between the bid and ask (1.24) for 3 « hours that NEVER got filled! Make of this what you will.

<<I am new to SI. Where do you view the Min. by Min. trades as displayed in reply #901>>

Richie, I have level 2 quotes.

Checking my mail I have NO reports of selling. I do have several reports of buying. :-)
The NEW count is 530,500 or 1,047,500 if you believe the 517,000 report (I don't for reasons that must remain confidential). I feel confident that this count accurately reflects approximately 25% of the float (give or take 1 or 2%).

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If you have not yet responded, please send in the number of shares you currently own to myself nazanalyst@aol.com AND billpurcell1@home.com as soon as possible. PLEASE FOLLOW UP WITH E-MAIL IF YOU HAVE SOLD ANY SHARES! All information received will be held confidential.

I am communicating with Bill on this matter via E-mail as some are not reporting to both
of us.

Thank you for your support

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To: TheNazz who wrote (901)4/28/1998 11:58:00 PM
From: Bill Purcell  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4230
 
I have gotten 20-30 new messages re share purchases since we reported on Friday. Many are from the new yahoo TGSK thread. I will probably post the results on the weekend as I am kind of busy during the week. I seem to be following several threads with mucho posting.
Rgrds, Bill Purcell