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To: Tom D who wrote (3656)4/29/1998 5:06:00 PM
From: Glenn D. Rudolph  Respond to of 164684
 
In brief, BKS and Borders use off-balance-sheet operating leases to finance most of their
stores. Their true debt-to-market-capital ratios are around 60%.


Tom,

Almost all retail stores lease and the rent goes through as an expense. Thus, the numbers on their balance sheet reflect assets they own not assets they lease.Retailers prefer to lease.The focus on retailing and do not wish to focus on Real Estate.

Glenn



To: Tom D who wrote (3656)4/29/1998 5:20:00 PM
From: Oeconomicus  Respond to of 164684
 
Tom, you guys give us a hard time for making the same old valuation arguments and here you are arguing again that BKS and BGP are borderline insolvent - the weight of all those stores and the associated "debt" means that they are really destroying value and therefore can't compete with the financially strong AMZN ... blah, blah, blah. Tom, just because you read it in some analyst's report doesn't make it true. The fact is that BKS produced a return on equity of almost 14% over the last 12 months, has almost half a billion dollars of book equity and has financial resources available to it the size and terms of which make AMZN's deals look like small time, overly expensive junk. If I were a shareholder of BKS, I would be very pleased, not worried, that they lease most of their stores - let someone else risk their capital on real estate. If you have some evidence that they are improperly classifying lease obligations to keep them off the balance sheet, I suggest you buy some BKS puts and post the evidence. As for the WACC thing, post the analysis - either it has lost something in translation or the analyst is terribly confused.

Remember this, BKS and BGP both make money. They produce positive accounting income and positive cash flow. They are not taking on a huge debt obligations with no hope of turning a profit for at least two more years so that they can make acquisitions that wipe out what little equity they have and push out the breakeven point even further.

The facts are that AMZN's "land-based" competition is financially much stronger, that bricks and mortar generate cash that can be used to promote and build online sales, that they have greater brand recognition among the book buying public, and that they can sell books profitably online at much lower prices than AMZN.

Can't wait to see the terms of the debt deal and the acquisitions. Of course, to the analysts and shareholders, what you don't know can't hurt you, right? If you can just keep bidding up the price, they'll be able to float new stock to pay off the debt with less dilution than if they just sold stock now, right? Well, Tom, an inability to service debt usually means no returns to the equity holders. If they have to issue stock to repay the debt, they shouldn't be issuing the debt.

OTOH, from the lender's perspective, I could own all the equity for a mere $275 million plus a call option I would grant to you. For half a billion dollars (or more - we can only guess right now) in five years, you can buy the company back from me. Deal?

Bob



To: Tom D who wrote (3656)4/29/1998 10:35:00 PM
From: Mark Myword  Respond to of 164684
 
Tom - Get a grip !! I don't want to repeat the obvious , as it has already been stated well in two posts tonight - #3663 and #3665.

Your conclusions totally ignore not only the weak financial position of Amazon , and the fact they are currently dwarfed in revenue by BKS and BGP , but also the following:
1) many shoppers like the bookstore experience - being able to browse and read parts of books they have heard about - something Amazon doesn't offer
2) There is no ambience to surfing a webpage that is only a bit more exciting than the local library's computerized lookup software
3) there is a big market for magazines - this draws people into the stores / also the coffee bars , musical performances , etc.
4) You can get what you want right away at the bookstore , if it's in stock - Amazon and other onlines save you a bit of money , but make you wait a week or more.
5) Again , Amazon has no advantage over BKS' online service , other than being first to get their site going.

You should strongly consider why Amazon is being so reluctant to disclose the facts on their debt offering. This is starting to smell like they are trying hard to hide a really nasty story. Why else would they put out two 8-Ks with no details , not even an interest rate ?? Pretty fishy , huh ?? I called the SEC and asked what their policy is on disclosing such details of debt issuances , and they said that the 8-K is basically an informational press release , but it would be nice to have it be truthful and informative.
They went on to say that Amazon will have to spill the full details in the next 10-Q , as this is material in amount , and they have a legal obligation to disclose. I hope all the insiders don't cash out from the suckers before then......

BTW , I have been by the local Barnes and Noble twice in the last ten days - both times it was packed. Even on a Tuesday night. Hmmm......lines at the cash register.....no going-out-of-business sale yet......very strange !



To: Tom D who wrote (3656)5/3/1998 10:17:00 AM
From: fernand cloutier  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 164684
 
book sales tax- AMZN vs barnes & noble

I understand reading your post that AMZN does not charge sales tax because AMZN has no physical stores anywhere. I also read elsewhere (can't retrace it) that some US states are claiming back taxes from amzn.
Based on sales tax (state,county,city) between 6% and 10% as listed on www.taxware.com, this can explain the tremendous upsurge of AMZN sales as the consumer doesn't have to pay the sales tax.
Does somebody know the % of sales in the US vs the rest of the world?
Thanks