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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (54773)	4/29/1998 5:34:00 PM
From: Don Hurst	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Mary, saw your comments on MVS and I must say that there weren't many old Computer Science grads that knew much about MVS when they got out of school from my experience. They had to learn it when they decided to earn a living as a systems prgmer if that is what they ended up doing in the real world. Hopefully in today's world no customer has to delve into the internals of MVS or OS 390 or whatever it will be called in 2010 when companies are still putting RAS high up on their list of must haves in the IS world. Suggest that you consider moving back your 2001 Empire State party by at least a decade. Regards, Don

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (54773)	4/29/1998 7:57:00 PM
From: Tony Viola	Respond to of 186894

Mary, >>>"Meet you underneath the Empire State Building in 2001 and we will compare notes and see who is going to be right." Deal! Tony

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (54773)	4/29/1998 8:25:00 PM
From: John Koligman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Mary, Your comments are a bit similar to those I heard years ago about PC's making mainframes junk by 1990! I spent 18 years fixing MVS I/O bugs and have an indepth understanding of the channel subsystem in the mainframe world. From an I/O point of view, and a RAS point of view, I agree with Tony and others that it will be much longer than 2001! Merced is just a piece of the puzzle, operating system software is the other key, and NT is not MVS at this point. The final piece as mentioned before is the amount of legacy software out there that literally runs the Fortune 500. John

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (54773)	4/30/1998 6:41:00 AM
From: Shibumi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

>>Meet you underneath the Empire State Building in 2001 and we will compare notes and see who is going to be right.<< You'll be no closer to resolution then, either. Case in point: it used to be that vendors measured mainframe sales in terms of revenue (makes sense, huh?). Now, as you've been told, vendors measure mainframe sales in terms of MIPS (while playing down the fact that at IBM, for example, mainframe revenue was down quarter-versus-quarter). In 2001, you'll probably have folks measuring mainframe sales in terms of tonnage, or some other metric that continues to allow mainframes to see some type (any type!) of growth.