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To: Gregory D. John who wrote (14989)	5/3/1998 2:03:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Greg. Excellent post there. I must pray before answering, and not on an empty stomach, for sure. Wish you'd just hang up the logic and say, "O.K., Jesus, if you are the Son of God I really want to know, so come into my heart and take over my mind and soul if you want to, I give you permission to make all the changes you want as I'm sure it will all be for the good." My initial prayer for salvation wasn't even that sincere. I just didn't want to hurt the feelings of the terrific people that were praying for me, and the truth is, they truly were beautiful people. They ask me to pray for forgiveness of my sins and I remember opening my eyes and correcting them that I wasn't a sinner--I was a "God Trip-er". (As in "what trip are you on?" in the cosmic out-of -it world we came from. This is only amusing to angels with a sensef of humor and other meditating god trippers from that time, and there weren't many to begin with. We all had this very phoney ultra holy cosmic rap and mystic clothing, which seemed very real at the time, and we ate very "holy food", etc., and so we were easily identifiable to each other, at least. Except I ate candy bars and drank coffee, and was considered non-macrobiotic. The truly macrobiotic wouldn't even eat with me. They would go sit somewhere else and eat, like my candy bar and coffee residues would leap out of my body and attack, them, or something.) Even that polite, half-hearted effort to just pray--so as not to hurt the dear ex-fellow god trippers' feelings-- took on a mega-scale. Wish you would just give up the intellectualizing and do it.

To: Gregory D. John who wrote (14989)	5/3/1998 5:27:00 PM
From: DLL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Gregory; I must thank you for such a well thought out post. You seem to be honestly seeking and I feel the Lord will reward you for that. Your idea about humility is interesting, and I will give it some thought. My first impression is that there is a big difference between the two. A person can know a lot about a subject, and still be quite humble. The confidence in a subject could actually make it easier to be humble, while an unsure sort may resort to a more vigorous defense. I cannot say I am a man of great faith. I have very small faith in a very great G-d. A mustard seed's worth could well be all we can hope for. While I admit to periods of unbelief, I am at the same time confident in my knowledge that Jesus is the Mesiah, and that knowledge is based on evidence that I can no longer refute. I must admit that my disbelief is more based in convenience because of some command of the Lord I do not want to obey. This is why the Apostle Paul asked G-d to help him with his unbelief, because sin was constantly at war within him. Whenever I sin it is because of my unbelief, even though in my inner man I know beyond any doubt that there is a G-d, and he is the G-d of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. I will stop rambling now, but promise to continue this discussion if you remain willing. I must agree with Jane, that the only real mental thing one need do is to decide to call on the Lord, because he is very near all of us. As a perfect humble gentleman, he will not speak unless spoken to. I encourage you to try by asking him to show himself, not a sign, but an introduction. He is able to do this in a way that will leave you with little doubt it was him. Ask not to be deceived, just ask, and he will be there. Love and encouragement in Yeshua who will never disappoint you - DLL