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To: Thomas Calvet who wrote (14999)	5/3/1998 6:07:00 PM
From: David fisk	Respond to of 39621

Tom, yes indeed I have heard the modern day false prophets making their statements, "If it feels good , do it". They have led many astray to their doom. These poor people have built their life on the temporary, unstable foundations of worldly philosophy and self satisfaction. Change is the standard for them, and self-centered gratification is their god. The Bible on the other hand offers a permanent, stable foundation for building one's life. Only Jesus gives life. It is my feeling that you will agree with the following. "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ." (1 Cor 3:11 NASB) Jesus never changes and is therefore a trustworthy foundation on which to build. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes and forever." Heb 13:8: Vs. 13:8 yesterday. In the days of His life on earth (2:9; 5:7-8). today. As our high priest in heaven (4:15-16). forever. To secure and consummate our salvation (7:25; 9:28). As a matter of fact, He is the only way to heaven. ""And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved."" (Acts 4:12 NASB) "Jesus said^ to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." John 14:6: Vs. 14:6 There are not many ways to the Father in heaven, only One--through Jesus (Acts 4:12). Jesus is Lord! Have a blessed day in Christ, David

To: Thomas Calvet who wrote (14999)	5/3/1998 6:17:00 PM
From: DLL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Welcome Thomas; You have a sweet spirit and am glad you have joined us. I look forward to reading your posts. I pray we might glorify the Lord together. In Yeshua' Love, Shalom - DLL

To: Thomas Calvet who wrote (14999)	5/3/1998 8:00:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Tom. Welcome to Ask God. Every historical period and every era has their own perceptions and prejudices which have been shaped by their unique social and cultural experiences. Each age and each ethnic group develops their own set of values from these unique experience.s In this scheme of things, all values are relative. All values are relative without an established standard. Where will man find a standard to measure moral and ethical values? May the Lord give you fruitful times on this thread. In Christ Emile An analogy may help. It is like a mechanic, a doctor, a dentist, a body man and a minister approaching an accident. The doctor will concentrate on the medical aspects, the dentist on the teeth, the body man on the damage to the car and the minister will concentrate on the persons salvation. Each will remember the accident in their unique way. Their memories of the accident will be conditioned by their professions. Although all the facts about the accident exists, each person is limited in grasping these facts because of their preconditioning. Each person can only recount what "he has seen". This is what man faces when he tries to analyze morality, ethical values and historical events without an accurate universal standard of truth. Without God, man simply lacks an eternal and absolutely accurate measuring stick to measure things. This is the state of man without God and the Word of God. Man can only evaluate and see things according to his social and cultural conditioning. It is not so with the Word of God. God sees all things. He does not possess a limited and relativistic knowledge of events and things but an absolute and comprehensive knowledge of all things. He is both the giver and the keeper of the Universal Standards of Weights and Measures in morals and ethics. This is why the Word of God transcends the prejudices of historical eras and cultures. It is an eternal measuring stick that never varies because it is based on absolute truth and reality. It escapes the relativistic prejudices of eras and cultures. The Word of God gives us eternal truths that transcends all of our cultural and social conditioning. It slices through all historical and Culutural eras and gives us Eternal truths. When you compare the historical and social deviations of the ancient Hebrew Cutlure contained in the OT, you are simply looking at the wrapping paper and not the eternal precepts contained in the Word. The Word of God is always contained in the wrapping paper of culture and transmitted through the vehicle of language, but the spiritual observer-with the aid of the Holy Spirit-- automatically removes these cultural wrapping paper to view the pure Crystal of eternal truths . The Greek and the Hebrew languages were the vehicles and the wrapping paper was the Hebrew and Greek cultures. This principle was clearly evident in Jesus. He spoke His Words while in the rush and anxiety of life. He spoke the language of Greek and Hebrew and was emersed in the Hebrew Cutlure, but look at the Words of Eternal Truth that He always spoke. People were all around Him demanding His attention and distracting His mind, but everyone of His Words are Eternal Truths that transcend all cultures and historical eras. His Eteranl Words clearly identify Him as Divine. It is the same with all the Divinely inspired Word of God. It is Eteranl and True. It transcends all ages and Cultures and speaks to the essence of truth and the heart of man today as it did in ancient Hebrew culture. To prove this principle, isolate yourself in quietness and solitude and try to write one page of words of eteranl truth--words that will transcend your cultural prejudices and your historical era. You will find that all of your words are tainted by your previous social and cultural conditioning. You will soon come to the conclusion that Jesus and the Word of God are Eternal and not the cultural conditioned precepts that you have implied in your writings.

To: Thomas Calvet who wrote (14999)	5/6/1998 10:55:00 PM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Thomas I am not sure how to respond. Fueling the great deception of the last days is a very heavy burden to lay on someone who professes a philosophy of love and acceptance. I dont believe it to be true, so I am not sure what else to say. (I guess sorry wont cut it? :-) ) Mark

To: Thomas Calvet who wrote (14999)	5/6/1998 11:05:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Thomas, it would appear that you do not understand the difference between ordinary reality and belief systems. You really should be quite pleased that all the "moral relativists" defend your right to freedom of religious belief, but you also need to understand that the fact that you believe something does not make it so, and that belief systems are not in the realm of rational thought. Are you seriously suggesting that only your religious beliefs are valid?