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To: greenspirit who wrote (21276)	5/3/1998 7:15:00 PM
From: James R. Barrett	Respond to of 108807

Michael, my youngest son visited Texas and found it "full" of cowboys. My daughter visited Kentucky and found it "full" of moonshiners. My oldest son visited Alaska and found it "full" of Eskimos. My mother visited Tennessee and found it "full" of country and western singers. My cousin visited Florida and found it "full" of retirees. I visited San Francisco and found it "full" of psychopaths. Jim

To: greenspirit who wrote (21276)	5/5/1998 4:15:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

"Christine, res- <<< My daughter and husband visited Idaho, and found it full of white supremacists and guns. >>> So does that mean you believe them?" Michael, of course I believe my own husband and daughter. Is there a problem with that? They certainly can see with their own eyes, can't they? They have described Idaho as a place where almost everyone is white, and there are a lot of very conservative/hateful/bigoted bumper stickers stuck on pick-up trucks driven by guys with rifles in gun racks across the back window. Is there something hard to understand about that? My family knows me very well, and while my daughter likes the peace and quiet and slow pace in Idaho, and visits her cousins there every summer, they both agree that I would be miserable there because of the political atmosphere. I did a quick web search, and found the following list of militia/hate groups in Idaho on a Militia Watch page: Common Law Court, Ada County Idaho Sovereignty Association, Boise North American Freedom Council, Boise Stewards of the Range, Boise Common Law Court, Boundary County Americans for Constitutional Government, Coeur d' Alene Northwest Liberty Network, Coeur d' Alene Sovereign Citizens of America Network, Coeur d' Alene Concerned Citizens of Idaho, Hayden Lake Idaho Liberty Network, Hayden Lake John Birch Society, Hayden Lake Unorganized Militia of Idaho, Hayden Lake American Patriots of the Northwest, Kamiah Specially Prepared Individuals for Key Events, Kamiah Common Law Court, Kootenai County U.S. Taxpayers Party, Kuna Common Law Court, Lewis County Idaho Citizens Awareness Network, Ponderay Property Owners Association, Sandpoint American Sovereignty, unspecified location American Juris Association, unspecified location Idaho First Militia, unspecified location Here is a map of the groups, state by state, color coded for how intense the militia activity is in every state. You will note that Idaho has a very, VERY high concentration of these groups: splcenter.org

To: greenspirit who wrote (21276)	5/5/1998 4:23:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Incidentally, Michael, weren't we discussing homosexual youth, their high suicide and runaway rate, that the damage that the religious right does with their intolerance? I found the results of a new study in today's paper, dealing with all of these issues: Study: Gay, bisexual teens more likely to take risks CHICAGO (AP) - Gay and bisexual teens are more likely to attempt suicide and take risks - sexual and otherwise - that endanger their health, a study found. They also face more harassment at school and start experimenting with sex and drugs at an earlier age than their heterosexual peers, according to the study, published in the journal Pediatrics and released Monday. "Most gay and lesbian kids grow up healthy," said Dr. Rob Garofalo, an instructor in pediatrics at Harvard Medical School and a co-author of the study. "But there is a subset that don't." He said the gay teens most likely to take risks are those who grow up without support for their sexual orientation, especially from their family. "There's a real impact when you're stigmatized and grow up in a culture that's unaccepting of who you are," Garofalo said. The study analyzed data collected on 4,159 high school students by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for a 1995 survey. The researchers looked only at the data from Massachusetts, one of only two states where students were asked their sexual orientation. The other state was Vermont. Of the 2.5 percent who identified themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual, about half said they had engaged in more than five risky forms of behavior, compared with less than 25 percent of heterosexual teens surveyed. Those risks included having sex before age 13, engaging in unsafe sex, and using cocaine, alcohol and marijuana before age 13. The study also found that gay, lesbian and bisexual teens were: - three times more likely to have attempted suicide in the past year; - nearly five times more likely to have been absent from school because of fear about safety; - and more than four times as likely to have been threatened with a weapon at school. Katie Lubin, a 19-year-old lesbian who works as a peer counselor for gay teens in Chicago, often sees kids on the street taking risks - most often those who have been kicked out of their homes or have run away. "When you're looking for something to eat and a place to stay, a condom isn't the first thing you're looking for," she said. She added that her own experience has been very different because she had support from her family. "My uncle is gay," she said. "My mom took me to gay pride parades." Researchers said the study is significant because it lends credibility to studies done by organizations that serve gay teens. They said it shows that teens who are questioning their sexuality need support from medical professionals and the public. "These kids are not pathological. These are kids who are lonely, who haven't got their coping skills developed. And they need support," said Joyce Hunter, a researcher at Columbia University and co-founder of the Harvey Milk School, a New York City high school for gay, lesbian and bisexual students. "They need to know that they are not alone." newsday.com