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To: Maxwell who wrote (32393)	5/4/1998 12:28:00 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571843

Maxwell - Re: " What is even better is that Andy doesn't want to get the blame and has stepped down and cashed in all his options. " According to Intel's 1998 Proxy Statement, as of February 28, 1998 Andy Grove owned 2,493,453 shares of Intel common stock. Your absolutely FALSE and ERRONEOUS ASSERTION that Grove cashed in all his options throws a cloud of doubt as the truth of anything you state or post. Wild and BOGUS information that you post should alert everyone not to believe ANYTHING you post without verifying it themselves. For someone who claims to be technical, you sure play fast and loose with "the facts" - and leads us all to believe that you are not in possession of many of them in the first place. Paul

To: Maxwell who wrote (32393)	5/4/1998 1:19:00 AM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571843

Maxwell, I hope you feel better now that you blew off some steam, but I think your arguement that Jerry's ego is no more a detrament to AMD's shareholders than Andy's is to Intel shareholders is not one I need to refute, it collapses on it's own merits. Let me clear up a few misconceptions. 1. Andy Grove has stepped up in my view, not down as you state. He is the chairman of the board, a natural progression following Gordon Moore who preceeded him. 2. Your claim that Andy has cashed in all his options is simply false. 3. Your claim that Andy allowed Intel to buy back shares shows your perspective. At AMD Jerry controls the BOD with his hand picked yes men. Andy Grove does not control Intel's board. If anyone does it's Gordon Moore who is far and away the biggest shareholder. 4. Lastly your claims about Celeron performance are also false. Despite your claims, this link shows the 266MHZ Celeron outperforming a 233mhz Pentium MMX in Winstone98 intel.com This one shows Celeron outperforming a 233mhz Pentium MMX in Sysmark NT intel.com This one shows a 266 mhz Celeron outperforming a 233mhz Pentium MMX in NortonSI32 intel.com This one shows a Celeron outperforming a 233mhz PentiumMMX in intel's multimedia benchmarks intel.com This one shows a Celeron 266mhz outperforming a 233mhz Pentium in Norton Multimidea benchmarks intel.com This one shows a Celeron outperforming a Pentium 233mhz MMX in 3D Winbench intel.com This one shows a Celeron outperforming a Pentium 233mhz MMX in 3D portion of Norton Multimedia benchmark intel.com This one shows a Celeron outperforming a 233mhz Pentium MMX in FPUMark intel.com Now to be fair, this one shows a Celeron being outperformed by a Pentium 233mhz MMX in Winstone98 Business under Win95 intel.com This one shows the Pentium 233mhz MMX winning Sysmark32, again under Win95 intel.com And finally this one shows the Pentium 233mhz winning CPUmark32 again under Win95 intel.com This claim of "worse than Pentium" performance is simply more AMD hype and not based on fact, and you claimed worse than a 200mhz Pentium. Get your facts straight Maxwell. EP