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Technology Stocks : Discuss Year 2000 Issues -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: C.K. Houston who wrote (1651)	5/4/1998 1:16:00 PM
From: John Mansfield	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9818

[obsessions] 'Forte's growth stymied by clients' obsessions with Y2K ' Clifford Carlsen Business Times Staff Writer After watching revenues jump from $10 million to $63 million in two years, Forte Software Inc.'s otherwise healthy sounding 13 percent growth last year looked positively anemic. Blame it on the millennium. Up until fiscal 1998, the Oakland software maker could do no wrong. Founded by veterans of the late Ingres database company, Forte introduced its first product in 1994 to provide sophisticated object-oriented software tools for advanced software designers. The effort attracted blue-chip venture backing from Sutter Hill Ventures and Greylock Associates, and its first products were heartily embraced by information services directors at the Fortune 500 companies, its target customers. Everything went according to plan, as Forte's products became recognized as premier tools for writing the customized kinds of huge enterprise applications required by large companies. Wall Street responded in kind, debuting the company's stock at $40 a share in March 1996 and quickly sending it to more than $80 a share by summer. But in the fourth quarter of fiscal 1997 ended March 31, Forte hit a wall called Y2K. Unlike databases that are expected to freeze up in chaos or confusion on Jan. 1, 2000, there is no "millenium bug" lurking in Forte's own software or systems. But the company discovered that the information systems budgets of its core corporate clients are now almost entirely devoted to problems associated with the year 2000 problem, nicknamed Y2K, and Forte's sales have slowed dramatically. ... amcity.com

To: C.K. Houston who wrote (1651)	5/4/1998 2:07:00 PM
From: John Mansfield	Respond to of 9818

[ROFLMAO] 'President Gore will address the nation, the 2001 state of the union address' BWHAHAHAHA !!! John (perhaps we should start a separate thread 'Cynical and sarcastic Y2K jokes and remarks ;-))) _________________ On Sun, 3 May 1998 16:25:38, "Jim Abel" <evolutioninactio@usa.net> wrote: > >fedinfo@halifax.com wrote... > > > >>Jim Abel wrote... > >> > >> I think it's interesting that he is quoted saying that "worldwide > disaster > >> would result were all work on Y2K to stop immediately". > > > >You miss the whole point. It is "NOT" that disaster would result if all > work > >on y2k were to stop immediately. If all work were to "SIGNIFIGANTLY > INREASE" > >worldwide disaster would result. > > > I'm sorry, Paul. I guess I wasn't being very clear. I don't think that > Koskinen has any clue of the true difficulty involved in repairing these > systems. If he says "worldwide disaster would result", I take that to mean > that worldwide disaster almost certainly WILL result. This tells me that > he's seen studies that indicate that the cascade failures we've been > discussing are indeed real and will happen if not enough is done. Since he's > looking at feel good reports strained through two or three layers of Happy-Talk (tm) > management and this newsgroup consists of the people actually doing the work Plus a few denial-heads, typical USENET trolls, survivalist nut-cases, clueless nubies, laughing-boys, America-bashers, hucksters, hawkers, and assorted debris. > I trust the concensus here much more than his reports. Not enough can be > done. Period. > > This tidal wave is going to hit. "Something horrible is about to happen" cory hamasaki. > > Jim Abel but Koskinen is still a throw-away. He'll end up in a policy study institute, collecting a check until he lands a job as the door-opener for a lobby. No one expects him to solve anything. He's there so that Algor can remain pure and un-tainted. President Gore will address the nation, the 2001 state of the union address, "My fellow Americans, all 35 million or so of you. We have nothing to fear except -bzzzzt- -weroop- itself. I'm addressing you by radio from the U.S. Capital (temporary) somewhere in Appallachia... my advisors tell me that we will -bzzt-zzzt- power within 90 days and TV transmissions soon after. I have some good news for you, the lend-lease shipments from Canada are on -Wooo-up..." cory hamasaki The good news is we won't have to look at politicians on TV, the bad news is we won't have Baywatch either. ___ Subject: Re: Koskinen Admits That The Truth Would Panic The Public Date: 4 May 1998 05:03:58 GMT From: kiyoinc@ibm.XOUT.net (cory hamasaki) Organization: IBM.NET Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000 References: 1 , 2 , 3, 4 , 5

To: C.K. Houston who wrote (1651)	5/4/1998 2:28:00 PM
From: John Mansfield	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9818

[MAINFRAME] 'The world economy runs on 15000 MVS Mainframes and some other stuff' Some people think they know IT and computing when they can operate a PC or a fax machine. This should make them think a bit. John _________________ 'Dave, There's a discontinuity in the CD-Roms. The LY manuals are licensed. They're not in some sets; in others but locked by a cryto key; and rumor has it, are unlocked in still other sets. I don't know which are with licensed manuals but my two sets are sans licensed material. FYI PeeCeeWeeNee's, the IBM manual sets, roughly 1,000 volumes for MVS are split into three general categories. The GC number sequence which are of general interest, JCL for example. The SC's for System Control... or something like that, and the really interesting ones the LY's which are licensed. The CD-Rom library includes several versions of MVS and the various subsystems and I'm told, I didn't count, that there are over 5,000 manuals on the CDs. One tragedy is that the CDs do not include really old manuals. Some of the discussions have been about 10-20 year old issues... because there are companies that are still running very old versions of MVS. What they don't realize is that the lynch-pin upon which MVS rides, VSAM Catalogs, stop working at midnight December 31, 1999. IBM has a replacement, ICF, which works well but ICF is not free and if a shop is running 15 year old MVS... well, they're in a world of hurt. It's ConvertCat time. So PeeCeeWeeNees, you will be laughing at bunches of big iron shops as Y2K comes, VSAM will stop. This is analogous to FAT breaking on a DOS or DOS/Windows system. Does anyone know where all the old licenses of MVS are and who's running them? Nope. There're out there though. Lots of them. Kinda like all the DOS-286's and DOS-Windows 386 machines. But back to the manuals.... Now, I don't see the point of locking the licensed material as you have to have a S/390 mainframe to even run the software... ...and there're not too many people who have those at home. On Sun, 3 May 1998 03:53:40, Dave Eastabrook <news@elmbronze.demon.co.uk> wrote: > on Fri, 1 May 1998 Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <nospam@osg.eds.com> wrote > >cory hamasaki wrote: > > > >> I don't recall, might be geezing or it might be because my daily 20 oz of > >> Ferrari Brand Kona is still brewing... don't recall but I think IBM has > >issued > >> a statement that "low core" will be preserved up to some layer of control > >> blocks. The reason? The installed base of user and system code that does > >> things like walk the control blocks. > > > >The CVT is part of the Prefixed Storage Area, which IBM documents and > >for which IBM distributes a mapping macro (IHAPSA). The CVT pointer at > >16 and the backup CVT pointer were documented all the way back to > >OS/360. You can't imagine how much carnage would result if IBM announced > >that they were moving CVTPTR. > > Tried to find that on my Online Library CDs (June 1997). I hate casually > browsing these things as it's nearly 5 in the morning before I get to my > pit. Never mind, it's amazing the stuff you find out on the way "I > never knew that". Anyway, only thing I got was a reference to LY28-1166 > - MVS Data Areas Vol 3. Are these on any later versions of the Library, > or is there a separate set for them? There's no LY anything on my CDs :( > sob, sob). > > For any UK posters/lurkers, the set of 6 CDs covering MVS, CICS, DB2, > IMS, PL/1 and a heap of other things is, so I'm told, GBP 83 plus VAT. > Phone number is Publications Centre at 01256-478166 (they will charge to > your credit card). Mention my name enough times and they might send me > a free updated set. Or an old prototype P390 card. Only kidding. > > > > >Let me put it this way; would you want to be the one to announce at a > >Baptist convention that whiskey was mandatory? That would be safer. > > > 1) it might be a good laugh, and 2) it might meet with unexpectedly > enthusiastic support "yes, it is time for a wee dram^H^H^H^H change":) > > :Dave > -- > "JIT-heads" are the bane of the "Y2Kers"! (the Cowles-Smith Theory) > Funny how "JIT" has even insinuated itself into Y2K. But will it be? > Dave Eastabrook; 25+ years IBM Mainframes, and general Y2k Consultant. > <URL: elmbronze.demon.co.uk; or /IBM/ /telework/ ____ Subject: VSAM was: Assembler glug glug $$$,$$$,$$$ (was How Many) Date: 4 May 1998 05:03:44 GMT From: kiyoinc@ibm.XOUT.net (cory hamasaki) Organization: IBM.NET Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000 References: 1 , 2 , 3