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Technology Stocks : Discuss Year 2000 Issues -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: John Mansfield who wrote (1662)	5/5/1998 4:40:00 PM
From: John Mansfield	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9818

[TM_YEAR] Consequences 'tm_year' stands for one of the generic y2k problems in UNIX/C systems. In the IT world, it is generally still believed that y2k problems are only present in Cobol programs and the like. tm_year essentially means that in about 10% of the cases tha it is used; programmers have interpreted this standard 'C'-language element in a wrong way. Consequence: at 2000, the year will be '100'. C programming language is used a lot in embedded software (next to the assembler and ADA languages). John ___________ 'On Mon, 4 May 1998 15:29:33, rcowles@waterw.com (Rick Cowles) wrote: > Here's one link to the Milwaukee outbreak; you can find quite a few more if > you do some research using the keywords 'cryptosporidiosis' and > 'milwaukee'. One document I read attributed 54 deaths to this particular > outbreak; over 400,000 people got sick from it. The link below is from the > Center for Disease Control, so there's at least some credibility to it... > > cdc.gov Thanks Rick. For those of you in the DC area, Crytosporidia lives, waits, and watches in the Dalecardia reservoir too. Lots of us did water boiling a few years ago when something odd happened at the reservoir. What's really funny about this thread... other that DD-milne stuff... is that I made a sucker bet, 100 deaths and a half billion in damages due to tm_year. Certain parties stated that I was hyping the problem. Others then said that I could be low by an order of magnitude or more. This is a sucker bet. If tm_year only kills 100 people, we got off very, very lucky. Given that the Unix side of geekdom thinks they're safe until 2038, it will be much worse. This is too sad for the public. Who speaks for the innocent who will be harmed? I want to see the denial-heads go to jail and do some hard time for this. How dare they. They have no idea what the technical issues are and they are essentially advising people to not innoculate their children, don't fasten those uncomfortable seatbelts, stick that screwdriver in the light socket, leave that dog in the car. > On Mon, 04 May 1998 15:37:20 GMT, scottd@nbnet.nb.ca (Don Scott) wrote: > > >On Mon, 04 May 1998 06:10:08 -0500, Jerry Heidtke > ><jheidtke@netreslt.com> wrote: > > > > > ><snipped Cory's tm_year stuff> > > > >>Cory, > >> > >>I think your guess/estimate of 100 deaths due to tm_year mistakes is way > >>too low. > >> > >>I'm expecting more than that just in this town (Milwaukee). We've > >>already had a water system problem here that killed more than that. Contaminated > >>water supply, incompetent management, and automated control systems that couldn't > >>adapt to changing conditions all contributed to that fiasco. > > > ><snipped some of Jerry's stuff> > > > >>Jerry > > > >Do I understand correctly that the City of Milwaukee had a water > >supply problem that killed > 100 people and that an automated control > >system(s) was partly to blame? > > > >When? How? Point me to a reference, please. > > > >Thanks, > >Don Scott > > > > > > -- > Rick Cowles (Public PGP key on request) > > Now Shipping: "Electric Utilities and Y2k" - The Book > euy2k.com ___ Subject: Re: Embedded systems again (was Re: Get serious ) Date: 4 May 1998 22:17:06 GMT From: kiyoinc@ibm.XOUT.net (cory hamasaki) Organization: IBM.NET Newsgroups: comp.software.year-2000 References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10