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To: DLL who wrote (15190)	5/6/1998 10:22:00 AM
From: mark silvers	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Don, Actually I have to disagree with that one. There is only one kind of unconditional love, and that is unconditional. The only "discipline" if you will is the souls remorse at having its wait for reunification with God to be lengthened. I have argued before on this thread, that God can achieve anything he wants. Given that fact, if the ultimate outcome is assured anyways, would god choose to take a punitative path, or a path of love and redemption? Remember, the outcome is the same. God is not like a human parent, who struggles to know what the best thing for a wayward child should be. God is the ultimate and highest form of consciousness, and IMO knows that the best path to any outcome is the path that is pure and unconditional love. Mark

To: DLL who wrote (15190)	5/6/1998 11:16:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Donald, many people who are not religious believe in exactly the same morals and ethics as relgious people--following basically the Golden Rule, and the Commandments which are about living with others, not the religious ones. People who are emotionally healthy and have received a lot of unconditional love as babies and children, simply choose to behave because it feels good and appropriate to behave that way, because they were treated this way and it seems normal to them. They have good internal controls on their behavior. In fact, behaving well out of fear of damnation, simply for the hope of eternal life, and to avoid punishment, strikes me as an inferior system. Atheists, who behave well and do good works simply because they are loving and kind, without any dream or hope of any reward whatsoever, are really the saintly ones, I would think.