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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (15307)	5/7/1998 9:52:00 AM
From: DLL	Respond to of 39621

Dear Nancy; What a blessing to know how intricate and thought out G-d's plan of redemption is. I agree that Pentecost should be a cherished day, and part of the known heritage of the church. One thing that attracts me to Messianic worship is that the feasts and holidays are actually commemorative of the day events occurred. They are not some contrived day which suited man, rather are in direct remembrance of the plan G-d chose. Each one without exception is a picture of Yeshua and what he did for us. I would never suggest anyone neglect their culture, Christian or Jew, but the freedom to celebrate the Lord everyday is the blessing we have as Children of G-d. Christian holidays are a fine tradition, and to some extent have a connection to history even if they started out as somewhat contrived. But it is the Jewish Feasts and Holidays that really reveal G-ds love for all and his plan of redemption for Jew and Gentile alike. Thank you my dear sister for sharing this with me, I look forward to my first Pentecost in our Messianic Synagogue. In Yeshua's Love and Promise to You - DLL

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (15307)	5/7/1998 11:34:00 AM
From: DLL	Respond to of 39621

Shalom Nancy; Have you had a chance to check out the study of Matthew at: hopefortoday.org by David Hocking? If you listen to the first chapter, I promise you will be hooked. A very fruitful study for a Messianic Jew, or anyone who would like to learn about their Jewish roots in Messiah. I have heard that Matthew was at one time very controversial because it was "too Jewish." I don't know a better reason for us to study it in depth. Emile and Chris, I continue to challenge you to check out the first in the series on this link. Would love to hear your honest appraisal of it. Your friend and brother in Yeshua, DLL

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (15307)	5/7/1998 3:37:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

"The Day of Pentecost is such a neglected Holiday in the Church and IMO should be one of the greatest celebrations. In Judaism it is celebrated as the day Moses came down the Mountain with the stone table" You perverse heretic! Constantly attacking the Holy Body of the Lord Jesus Christ--the Christian Church--and at the same time exalting and preaching the darkness and death antichrist modern Judaism. Pride in your flesh and the arrogance of blindness. The Holy Church of the Lord Jesus Christ has been celebrating the substance of Pentecost for two thousand years by preaching the Lord Jesus Christ and having believiers baptized in Holy Spirit. The true celebration of Pentecost in Christianity--the New Israel of God-- is having people baptized in the Holy Spirit after they receive Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Your perverse attacks aginst Christ's Body and your ignorance about the Old and New TEstament expose you as the heretic that you are. You would try to live in the shadow of the Scriptures but you do not even understand the shadows because your heart is enveloped with the dark Jewish vail of unbelief. The Day of Pentecost is the substance of the Feast of Ingathering. You are motivate by one principle spirit and that is the spirit to spread the darkness and death of modern Talmudic Judaism to the harm of innocent Christians and for the continued death of enslaved Jews.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (15307)	5/7/1998 6:57:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

<< The Day of Pentecost is such a neglected Holiday in the Church and IMO should be one of the greatest celebrations. In Judaism it is celebrated as the day Moses came down the Mountain with the stone tablets. This is also significant for 3,000 people are mentioned in the scriptures to have died when the Law came into the world and when the Holy Spirit came on that same Holiday 3,000 are mentioned as receiving eternal life through the Gift of the Holy Spirit. >> There are three Penetecosts that I know of and they all fell on different days: 1. Old testament - you can find this in Exodus and Deuteronomy. It's the celebration that marked the completion of the barley harvest. It was for thanksgiving but also of fear, because of the sin offerings and peace offering that were required. In those days if the offerings were not acceptable it was a great cause for concern, as God is a Holy God. 2. Judaism- During the period of Malichi to Mathew. Penetecost was regarded as the anniversary of the law giving at Sinai. This comes from books other than the bible. ( Try the book of Jubilees) This is what Nancy is referring to. The Saducees celebrated it on the 50th day after passover, but the Pharisees disagreed (Saduccess refer to Lev 23:, vs the Pharisees of 23:15) I'm not an expert on this. But from what I know Judaism won over and it's been celebrated on various days of the week since the fall of the temple in 70 AD. 3. Christian- This is the Penetecost that Christians are familiar with. This is the one where the disciples were together and the Holy Spirit descended, giving power to them. This is the ones that Christians yearn for in their hearts, considering all the other Pentecosts only shadows. This is the one that Peter said Joel prophesied of. And I believe that this is the one that Paul kept talking about wanting to celebrate in Jerusalem. -Chris