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To: Kid Rock who wrote (133)	5/7/1998 2:21:00 PM
From: lewis wireman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 344

I am on my way to the airport to fly to P. R. China, but I will take a couple of minutes to comment on your question. It is a legitimate and thought provoking question. This is how I see it. When Satan rebelled in heaven and took a third of the angels with him, what he was in fact doing was chalenging God for the rule of heaven. This is much similar to a pretender on earth attempting to unseat a king. God's reaction was to ban Satan from Heaven and exiled him on earth. You will recall that Genises says that the earth was without form and void. The true translation is that the earth was becoming without form and void. Satan and his angels were corrupting the earth. My feeling is that Satan had not violated God's word by rebelling and therefore, there probably was no way to punish him, only to exile him, and God exile him to earth. I think there is authority to conclude that God created man and placed man in the garden of eden as a means of passing judgement upon Satan. You will recall that God said that Satan was a murderer from the begining. Not only did he murder Adam and Eve, but he did in effect spiritually murder the angels who followed him. God directed Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the earth. When Satan caused Adam and Eve to sin, He murdered them spiritually and physically. By following Satan they abandaned God and made Satan their God. God by his right of election counted faith as allegence to God and thus, Abraham was counted as rightous. This set in motion God's plan to redeam man from his sin. To accomplish this, God, himself suffered the full punishment for that disobedience by man and suffered death as the supstitute for man. This is especially important when you consider that Jesus was in fact innocient of any sin. Under roman Law, it was proper for a convicted criminal to hire a substitute to serve his sentence. We did not hire Jesus. He voluntared. The bases for this is set in the Book of Ruth, the kindsman redeemer. A voluntary act. If I am correct, and satisfy your self, Satan and his angels were not included as part of God's redeemption plan. God's redemption plan is God's plan to punish Satan and his angels. Satan and his angels could therefore not be redeemed. Consider this. When Satan and his angels rebelled against God, they in effect set up a rival kingdom. There can only be one kingdom and that is the kingdom of God. I Satan's kingdom is permitted to exist, there would be two kingdoms, and that would have the effect of diminishing God. Not with the murder of Adam and Eve, an act in direct violation of God's word, there is indeed legal authority for the punishment of Satan and his angels, including, of course all men who choose to follow Satan as their king. My conclusion is, no, there is no was for Satan and his angels to be forgiven, but there is certainly a way given for fallen man to be redemed. Faith in Jesus as Lord and savior. There is much more, to the story, of course, but I don't have the time to develope it. Again study the scripture relating to these comments and I think you will begin to learn a lot about God and and his plan. One more thought before I go. Don't want to confuse anyone, but consider this. Even for an earthly king, a deposed king, which God was, when man elected Satan as Their God, can take appropriate measures to regain his kingdom. Thanks and God bless you all.

To: Kid Rock who wrote (133)	5/7/1998 3:08:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 344

"Could the antichrist ask for God's foregivene" First let me say this: Why would any Christian oppose beginning the study of antichrist without first examining God's comments on the subject? After all, it is God who introduced the term in the Scriptures because of His love for the Church. Whoever refuses to examine God's mind on the matter is simply not interested in the truth but only in their own private interpretation of the matter. After examining what the Scriptures have to say on the matter, it is important to look at what the Church has spoken aoubt antichrist in the past. Remember, the Holy Spirit works equally with every century and era of the Church. The revelations given to the saints of the most high God in the last two thousand years are also necessary if we are to arrive at the God's mind on the matter. "Could the antichrist ask for God's foregiveness" Absolutely. An antichrist is simply anyone who rejects Jesus. An antichrist is simply a human being or his organizations. There are many false prophets and false teachers going around trying to make antichrist Satan or one of his demons. This is false. The spirit behind antchirst is from satan but antichrist themselves are simply human beings who rejct Jesus. Let us look at what God has to say on the matter: 1John2 8: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 18: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 22: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1John 4 3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 2John 1 7: For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. ___________________________ This is God's perception of antichrist. In a study of antichrist today, it is important to use these definitions to identify the groups, individuals, religions that clearly fall under God's definition of antichrist. From there we can study prophecies and try to understand the meaning and importance of antichrist in our day. Finallly, without the revelations of the Holy Spirit in our own hearts, we cannot put it all together. The study of any subject in the Scriptures should be for the edification of the believers. Edification comes through love. Does our study of antichrist show love for God and love for His Christian people? Does the knowledgeo antichrist help the Christian people protect themselves from the evil that is in the world? Does the knowledge of antichrist help Christian people protect their children from the forces of evil influencing our children's minds? Christian should look at who controls T.V. programs they watch, newspapers they read, magazines they read, Hollywood movies they watch, and if antichrist individuals or organizations control these sources of news and entertainment then Christians should protect themselves and their children from thess sources. This was the purpose of the Holy Spirit's revealions in 1 and 2John. It was for the love and edification of the Christian believers so that they could love and worship God in truth. The ultimate purpose of God's revelations and prophecies is not for some cheap entertainment and debate about End Times occurrences but for love and edification of the Body of Christ. May Jesus open the minds of the sincered Christians and reveal the hypocrisy of the tares. For the love and edification of God's people and for the love and worship of FAther, Son and Holy Spirit. Emile