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To: jbe who wrote (21669)5/7/1998 10:43:00 PM
From: j g cordes  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 95453
 
jbe.. I enjoyed reading your piece on free cash flow vs debt in attempting to sort out potential winners. Near the end I was wondering to myself if it made as much of a difference as does how agressive and innovative a company is. Conservative financial measures can sometimes hide conservative business aspirations. Top line growth, consistency in beating street expectations, and the creativity of management to bring new opportunities or to let go of others, it seems to me, is important also.



To: jbe who wrote (21669)5/8/1998 12:12:00 AM
From: papi riqui  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 95453
 
Joan,
Pardon my intrusion on your colloquy with Chuzzy (perhaps I should say soliloquy as he appears to be catnapping), but you asked: Sinking funds? Excuse my ignorance, but what's that?

A sinking fund is literally a fund in which assets (cash) are set aside on a regular basis for, in the case of a loan, paying off the principal when it falls due or, in the case of a bond, the orderly retirement of the bond. Bond sinking fund payments typically are funded by calling a portion of the bonds or by purchasing them in the open market. You can also have a sinking fund, btw, for the redemption of stock, but I suspect that Chuzzy is referring to the loan repayment example.

Hope this helps.

A fellow D of Cn



To: jbe who wrote (21669)5/8/1998 9:33:00 AM
From: Shelia Jones  Respond to of 95453
 
jbe, sinking funds and free cash flow

1) You define "free cash flow" as "operating cash flow less interest, taxes and provisions for sinking funds." Sinking funds? Excuse my ignorance, but what's that?

Sinking funds may be used to store away cash to pay off bonds at maturity. This is done by setting aside a specified amount of cash at regular intervals. This cash is usually invested and any earnings are added to the amount in the sinking fund. The periodic deposits plus earnings should equal approximately the amount of the bond issue by maturity.

A bond sinking fund is not included in current assets because it is not available for payments of current liabilities. The cash and securities comprising the fund are usually shown as a single amount under something like Long Term Investments which is placed below the Current Asset Section. Interest earned on sinking fund securities constitutes revenue to the corporation.

For some reason during that 1 accounting class - sinking funds made enough of an impression on me to remember this.



To: jbe who wrote (21669)5/8/1998 2:04:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 95453
 
jbe, you've done very interesting research on debt:equity ratios. Thank you. The problem with using free cash flow as you defined it is that "needed capital spending" is a very difficult item to quantify unless you have detailed knowledge of the company in which you are investing. For this reason, I much prefer a sinking fund approach. The way this works is simple. Suppose you are analyzing a company with $100 million in 7% debentures, due in 28 years. If you calculate the annual payment required to pay down that debt in 28 equal annual installments you have generated the "sinking fund" number. This way you annualize the cash drain rather than relying on the exact dates of expiry of cash which of course will generate spikes in cash outlays. It is exactly the same calculation as mortgages and consumer loans. We simply treat the debt as requiring self-amortizing annual or semi-annual payments.

So, to go back to the example I gave earlier, the amount required for the sinking fund is $1,239,200 per annum.

Obviously, this approach subsumes a number of assumptions, but the most important one is ceteris paribus. Nevertheless, I believe that this approach gives you the best starting point for analysis. The major reason is that it obviates the dilemma created by your observation that some of the firms with the heaviest debt loads have the best free cash flow. I wonder how well they would fare if those cash flow calculations used a sinking fund approach.

Now, back to the point you started your last post to me debt:equity. One school of thought is that this ratio does not affect the price of the stock. However, empirical studies show that there seems to be an optimal debt/equity -- generally estimated at around 0.3. So when I talk about heavy debt load (and here I'm talking only about notes and bonds, not the ratio of liabilities/equity which is sometimes referred to as D/E), I mean businesses with D/E >.3

I hope this has been of some help.

TTFN,
CTC