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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (7098)	5/8/1998 3:56:00 PM
From: Charles Tutt	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 19079

Most of the recent whining seems to be emanating from Microsoft. "Leave us alone, we're just trying to innovate." And when whining doesn't work, they try threats. "Don't enforce the laws against us or the U.S. economy will collapse." Very adolescent. JMHO.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (7098)	5/8/1998 8:43:00 PM
From: WTSherman	Respond to of 19079

Michelle, something tells me the truths you cite will fall on deaf ears, since Punko thinks that anyone who doesn't believe that Gates is organizing a new world order is a fool and has bought a "line of BS" from MS. Talk about buying a line of BS...he cited Kertzman's analysis of what MS has done as "reasonable". Saying that MS stole the best features of Windows from Apple is only too funny... Of course they did! Where does Punko thing Apple got it? From Steve Jobs egotistical brain? Hardly, one day Jobs was invited to PARC by Xerox to see their PC and its operating system, a GUI. Six months later the guy who was in charge of its development, Brown, was working at Apple and two years later the Mac OS was born. Xerox sued Apple, but, couldn't establish its case any better than Apple could against MSFT. If you want to talk about innovators then talk about PARC and Xerox...they really innovated with the GUI, PC, PC network(ethernet is a Xerox trademark) and what good did it do them? Zero. They didn't know what to do with the innovations they had. Gates has taken ideas from lots of places, including some from inside MS and made a huge and successful company. The losers in battles like this will always whine and cry its not fair. Lotus didn't lose out the the crappy spreadsheet excell because MSFT was so rich...when the first version of Excel came out LOTS was as large as MSFT. They lost out because they blew their market. My big problem is with the idea that we're better off if the DOJ decides what should and should not be in operating systems or any other piece of computer technology. If Punk thinks its bad that Gates gets to decide so much, imagine what it will be like if DOJ is the one deciding. As far as ORCL goes it seems to me that there have been huge opportunties that the company has failed to exploit in order to pursue its Don Quixote mission against MSFT. The only people to really suffer from this delusional behavior have been the weary shareholders of ORCL.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (7098)	5/11/1998 4:45:00 PM
From: Punko	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 19079

Innovation and execution are necessary but not sufficient conditions to compete effectively against a monopolist. Microsoft is in the position it's in because it is capable of stifling innovation, and it is actively doing it. Poor products and clumsy competitors should shrivel up and die. But vibrant new technologies are being slowed, and in some cases not allowed to come to market, and that's where we have the problem. What incentive do you have if you think your ideas can be easily coopted? How can you execute when no funding's available, or when the rules of the game are controlled by your biggest competitor? Check this out for an idea of how we can benefit from a reined in Microsoft. www5.zdnet.com The question of which is worse - the stifling monopoly or the meddling government - is not an easy one; an out of control DOJ is far more dangerous than Microsoft can ever be. But to wink at Microsoft and let it carry on is to pass on the unprecedented opportunities to accelerate the rate of innovation and broaden contribution to future progress that all these advances in computer and telecom technology have provided.