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To: EyeDrMike who wrote (7971)	5/9/1998 6:18:00 PM
From: AlienTech	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23519

Yes I have noticed the 'cure' factor myself. I am not sure why it happens, but I think it might have a lot to do with stress and your mindset, Once that block gets taken away there is no problem. In fact I think if you get too emotional it causes problems too. I think the viagra effect to fix these kind of problems might have a lot to do with damping your emotions rather than directly causing anything. After all dropping blood pressure is a rapid way to dampen the mind and confuse it enough to cause a rise in more than one sence. PFE is a great company and my beef with them is only the fact that their drugs are abused more often than not and the end does not always justify the means. hmmm maybe I should see if I can get some scientologists on here. After their trashing LLY I am sure the extreme relegious right might have a beef with some of these..

To: EyeDrMike who wrote (7971)	5/10/1998 4:37:00 PM
From: DaiS	Respond to of 23519

Mike, Pfizer's own results suggest that Dr Brad's outstanding effect with viagra may be largely placebo effect - if I have interpreted the results correctly. I read off data from Figure 1 on Pfizer web site for their huge study and worked up the data to make the tables below. Men with ED were assessed on a 0 to 5 scale for a period before and then for a period after treatment with viagra and placebo. Results for a variety of study designs and drug doses were pooled. The character is maintenance of erections, but Pfizer say they got similar results for ability to get an erection. Men were scored in the following categories according to ability to maintain erection: 0 no attempted intercourse 1 never or almost 2 a few times ((thus 0 is strong ED, 5 mild ED)) 3 sometimes 4 most times 5 almost always or always Results Tabulated is percentage of men Impotence Category Initially with viagra 0 1 2 3 4 5 improved 75 67 79 79 60 0 cured? 32 35 47 55 60 75 placebo 0 1 2 3 4 5 improved 58 30 47 29 17 0 cured? 5 5 12 7 17 48 viagra-placebo 0 1 2 3 4 5 improved 17 37 32 50 43 0 cured? 27 30 35 48 43 27 improved = % of men that move up one or more categories as the result of treatment cured? = % of men that moved to category 5 It is important to note that this is a truncated character, so men having 5 can't increase their score, but can go down because they do suffer from some ED. Men with 0 have the most severe ED and thus have nowhere to go but up when rescored after treatment. Dr Brad's scores of 80+ success are perfectly consistent with the uncorrected data. When the placebo is subtracted there is a dramatic decrease. Given all the hype about viagra I think one would expect to have a huge placebo effect in patients now taking viagra for the first time. Contrary to what I thought when I first looked at it, this particular data does not demonstrate the "recreational erection enhancer" effect because the character is truncated at the top. DaiS PS thanks for the help with Dr Brad, I'm sorry I offended him