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To: Andy Thomas who wrote (19033)	5/13/1998 11:05:00 PM
From: miraje	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

Andy, You're kicking a hornets nest here. <VBG> anyway, government doesn't belong in business... unless it's a corporate social state, but is that what anyone wants?... Rock-ribbed conservative Republicans like Hatch and Dole want it. True blue liberals such as chief thread moderator, Dan Schuh, want it. Even "libertarians" like Justin B want it. After all, such a diversity forming a consensus must mean they're right. Right? :-) Good post, BTW. Regards, JB

To: Andy Thomas who wrote (19033)	5/13/1998 11:48:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

Bzzz Bzzz and to those who say cutler stole nt, i would ask: 1) didn't microsoft have the foresight to recruit him over? Sure, and Cutler had the foresight to get out when the going was good. 2) exactly how did cutler steal the code? Probably wrote out a tape or something. It's not hard. It's also documented, big story in BW. I'd discounted the rumors, here, before that story broke, the only time Alan Buckley ever agreed with me, but I was wrong. i consider NT to be msft's, no matter what the naysayers think.. i'm saying that msft is capable of creating an original product. Sure. They oughta be, they got a lot of smart people working for them. Out of that 30million-odd lines of code, it'd probably be hard to pin down much of the stolen DEC code, and where's DEC anyway? It's just another standard Microsoft business practice thing, like Bill's forever on-the-horizon next "innovation", speech recognition, which the last story I read said MSFT bought from Learnout & Hauspie. Oops, Bill "invested" in L&H, no doubt getting royalty free code rights in return, in addition to the piece of the company any regular investor would have to be content with. Now John Malone, there's a smart guy, Bill invests in TCI, and Microsoft has to give them code. Malone shouldn't be paranoid though, even though Wince is going to be just like Windows. Want to take a crack at explaining that one? Cheers, Dan.

To: Andy Thomas who wrote (19033)	5/14/1998 3:52:00 AM
From: nommedeguerre	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

Andy, >>You're right. These morons in washington dc don't know anything about the industry. Which country should we model our government after to improve things? With the government out of the way, intellectual property rights have exactly zero meaning. How long do you think software vendors would last when a CD-ROM costs less than a dollar to pirate? Ask the Chinese about their special interpretation of "intellectual property". Would the resulting anarchy really provide a better environment for capitalism? >>anyway, government doesn't belong in business... unless it's a corporate social state, but is that what anyone wants?... I'm not big on government involvement in general but I'm also not big on depressions, recessions, stagflation, or other economic hiccups that corporations are unable to prevent or resolve. Can you honestly think of a better time in history for consumers than today? Look what the average person had available to them historically and what you have in the way of opportunity. In today's economy it is not the Feds that are holding anyone back, its laziness. People can use government involvement as an excuse for their own failures, but I see plenty of people in every field who succeed simply by not sitting on their fat ass and whining how sore it is. Microsoft is selling 1-3 year-old software and it has not slowed the economy in the least. What is it exactly that Win98 does for national productivity that Win95 can not be made to do? Cheers, Norm

To: Andy Thomas who wrote (19033)	5/14/1998 3:28:00 PM
From: Keith Hankin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24154

it is funny how mcnealy of sun can sell something on huge margins, and when nt threatens to shatter his business model from below, his only response is to go to the doj for help... that's pathetic. You think that's the only thing he's doing? Do you think that any MSFT competitor is relying on any DOJ action? Companies will and should use all means of staying competitive, and that includes seeking anti-trust action when they believe that a monopoly has been used illegally against them. This is far from pathetic, but is what is and should be demanded by stock holders. Anything less would be pathetic. other people will say msft stole dos, that cpm was better, but they never mention that the fat file system, which i believe letwin of msft wrote, was far superior to cpm's at the time, and that was what really won the os war for the early pc platform... You're kidding, right? The initial FAT file system had no discernable advantages over the cpm file system, and certainly nothing that even remotely caused MSFT to win the OS war. And it is funny that you mention FAT, because more recently, it has been one of the more decrepit parts of MSFT technology. Only just now are they coming up with a new version that doesn't waste tons of disk space.