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To: gregor who wrote (176)5/14/1998 12:54:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14396
 
Very loud Amen, brother Gregor.

The storm clouds are interesting. There are less than 40 wild tigers in Punjab now, and I believe it could be 20. Each tiger is worth that many thousands more to the fiends from Asia who like rare tiger parts for various pagan reasons. The slaughter of elephants now is grotesque. These huge precious things lumbering around looking for water in THEIR Africa, and now they are shooting all but the babies.

The charting of the extinction of the Creation is almost too painful to
chart, and I believe it is worse than the most fanatic people actually believe. It is a matter of years now, not decades. A wild gorilla I believe will not exist in 5 years. My feeling.

And the plight of all children in all countries, especially this pagan nation where the murder of even tiny children for purposes of adult thrill exceeds all statistics of man combined, I'm sure, for 6,000 years.

It is the time of Baal. Satan just isn't called that anymore.

Am trying not to speak too much of what I feel, as it is alarming, of course, to anyone that doesn't think so, or simply doesn't have a clue.

But you know what I think? I think it is all worse than any of us could possibly imagine, and soon the eye of the hurricane is going to move on and if we are not still in the center I cannot imagine the results.

That's all I feel. And of course I hope for Rev. 7, and have since 1993 when I first started telling all my wild biker friends that the world was starting to come to an end, right there in sunny AZ, when the economy was finally starting to pick up, and it was like Noah hammering on his boat.

In Rev. 6 the angels are prepared to waste the earth and they are suddenly stopped by the fifth angel who rushes in and stops them.
He then goes forth apparently to seal only biological Jews from the 12 tribes, and specifically counts them out.

Without explanation, John suddenly sees himself up in Heaven, where to that time there had only been Father, Son, and the Heavenly Hosts we know of, as well as the symbolic beasts we don't understand, and there is a huge crowd in hysterical happiness, praising God. John is confused and an elder asks him, "don't YOU know who they are?" John, in wonder, goes, huh-uh...who are they? The elder replies "these are they which came of of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB."

Whatever you make of it, the next thing John witnessed was a mournful period of grief and silence as the head Angel of Wrath mixed the big ball of fire from the throne with the prayers of the slaughtered saints through the ages, and after some time of silence, the Angel hurls the ball to the earth. The next 17 pages are horror after horror, and woe to the inhabitants of earth.

[the only thing I will teach here is that this crowd is everyone, all different languages, and leaves John dazed and confused, and doesn't recognize them, so they certainly aren't the 144,000 JEWS which he would. It is also the last time the word tribulation appears in the bible. There is NO term, "The Great Tribulation" spoken of in the Bible. Just great, and tribulation together, once, and here, as describing the crowd as those that had just come from great tribulation. (Thlipsis: meaning pressure, affliction, burdened, persecution, trouble.)

So, that leaves the post Trib crowd with less foundation, I believe.

John stood with Jesus while Jesus laid out the problems facing men in 5-6. Then John sees angels sent forth to begin these things. then John sees a stronger angel stopping them until he runs to specifically seal the Jews on their foreheads, specifically, and then John in Heaven sees this mob that he simply does not understand. Then the "Great Tribulation" as we have determined the phrase to mean in our minds, actually begins, except that these words are not mentioned again in scripture. Interesting.

No one reads this very often, and if they do, they refuse to accept it as written. I accept it strictly as written. Read it very, very carefully, speaking aloud as you read. Read it exactly as written, and clear your mind of all preconceived teachings of men.

Maybe this is the calm while the angels hold the winds of destruction back from the four corners of the earth. Whatever it is, it is false
peace and false security. I will still pray that I among those leaping and praising God at the top of my lungs. As you and James and other will, I'm sure. The beginning instruction was only to get happy, and begin to pray that we will be accounted worthy to escape the things that must happen. That's now.

I only know what I read. I have to believe what I read instead of some ideas of man telling me what I am reading does not actually mean that. I'm just going to go more on what the Bible instructs me to believe then what men try to talk me out of believing.