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To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (22175)5/16/1998 8:06:00 PM
From: Shelia Jones  Respond to of 95453
 
El Gato, sometimes technical expertise is a problem as well as a help. As you stated:

"I would guess that a "current non-existent IEEE ... product" is a product that will be developed in the future. Alternatively, it might be some kind of virtual oar used to propel a virtual boat in an imaginary stream. The issue is, do people want to buy it, if so, how badly do they want it, and can the company profitably produce it. Everything else is noise."

Engineer types sometimes become smitten with the technology so much that they ignore to some degree the market potential of the product (I can say this from personal experience). Just because it is technically elite does not make it practical from a competitive standpoint.

The issue really is what you point out.

Just got my garden in,

Shelia



To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (22175)5/16/1998 10:01:00 PM
From: jbe  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 95453
 
...I still don't understand the market psychology surrounding the oil sector!

And you think I do? Ha! And again - Ha! In fact, many times on this thread I have posed the same question that you are now asking me, which is, basically: why can't people be reasonable?!? And like yourself, I am constantly moaning about the failure of investors generally to See the Light, to recognize the value of companies like ESV (which I also own), despite their "outrageously positive" fundamentals.

Actually, I am not being quite fair to myself. I have tried to offer explanations, such as: 1) the Good Karma/Bad Karma explanation; and 2) the Fell Syndrome explanation. There is a third -- the Charisma explanation.

Oil service companies lack "charisma," which is possessed in abundance by wave-of-the-future type companies -- internet stocks (Information revolution coming up!!), biotechs on the verge of discovering the Elixir of Youth, etc., etc. Now, if you can't be glamorous (and how can a company named, say, National Oilwell, be glamorous?), you should at least be entertaining, or provocative, or something. You need to create some sort of positive, "charismatic" image for yourself and for your industry.

I am speaking only half in jest. I would suspect that PR plays a much bigger role in the stock market than people generally credit it with. I recall reading the other day a piece about KTEL, in which the author pointed out that KTEL management had really mastered the art -- and the timing -- of the press release. The minute KTEL's inflated stock price began to sag, wham! out management would come with another well-crafted press release, and bam! up would go the price again.

Maybe the oil services industry should start thinking seriously about PR? About getting publicity -- not just waiting for some stock guru to provide it?

As for your stock picks (it is brilliance of course -- I agree with Doug -- not luck), the only one I would quarrel with is ASND. You say it has been an "outrageous winner" for you. Well, clearly you didn't buy it when I bought it(or rather, when my former investment advisor bought it for me, which is one reason I no longer have an investment advisor). For me, ASND was an "outrageous loser," and I wouldn't touch it now with a ten-foot-pole. The others are inarguably solid, first-class companies, but priced too "outrageously" (that word again!) for me right now.

On Enterprise Value. You probably are familiar with the concept itself, perhaps under another name. When you have a moment, please take a look at a description by Randy Befumo/aka Simon Templar, formerly of Motley Fool (gone on, alas, to bigger and hopefully better things). The URL is for the May 15, 1997, edition of "Evening News." Scroll down a bit, and you will see a little essay, "Enteprise Value Encore."

fool.com

You might also check out a free sample of their "industry snapshot" series (it is of the ECM's). Not only is the analysis of the industry excellent (in my opinion), but the figures, ratios, etc. TMF provides feature enterprise value (EV), in various permutations: EV/sales, EV/invested capital, EV/amortization adjusted net, EV/net income, etc., etc.

fool.com

I would really appreciate hearing your thoughts on the above.

jbe








To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (22175)5/17/1998 12:24:00 AM
From: Czechsinthemail  Respond to of 95453
 
First, think of the market in existential terms. Kafka's Penal Colony comes to mind.

I couldn't imagine what you were getting at until later in your post you brought it back to Viagra. Now it makes sense. It was the spelling that threw me.:-)
Baird



To: Chuzzlewit who wrote (22175)5/17/1998 12:20:00 PM
From: dougjn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 95453
 
Chuz, you know what "Enterprise Value" is. Perhaps you are used to some different name.

Its the total capitalization of the company. Equity and debt, less cash. Invest. bankers classically compute a theoretic private market value, or enterprise value, from projected future ebitda (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation or amortization). (All of the eliminations except the taxes are artificats of the capital structure chosen, rather than the earning power of the business, and the taxes payable are heavily influenced by the interest and other deductible capital structure charges.)

Doug