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To: jjs_ynot who wrote (676)5/17/1998 11:41:00 AM
From: KM  Respond to of 2578
 
Did you guys see this:

Quant View: Dell's Valuation is Unsustainable

By Ted Murphy
Special to TheStreet.com
5/15/98 1:03 PM ET

Dell Computer's (DELL:Nasdaq) price-to-earnings multiple is now higher than Microsoft's (MSFT:Nasdaq), at 47 times 12-month-forward estimates versus 44. I find that amazing -- and unsustainable.

The PC hardware environment is too competitive for Dell to maintain this kind of a premium over the long term. Short term, I note that Dell is expected to report next Tuesday after the close. Expectations are for a strong quarter.

The chart below illustrates Dell's meteoric rise in price and estimated P/E over the last two and a half years. In the interest of full disclosure, my previous short-sell recommendation on Dell is marked on the chart. I thought Dell was expensive last July at 35. Well, now its really expensive.

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PC makers face continuing price competition and relief seems likely to remain elusive. As IBM (IBM: NYSE) CEO Louis Gerstner said in an otherwise upbeat speech last Wednesday, "We're in a [PC] price war right now, and we intend to compete and protect our market share." Gerstner's sentiment is echoed by Compaq (CPQ:NYSE) and Hewlett Packard (HWP: NYSE). At some point, Dell's competitors will catch up, and Dell's valuation on earnings will contract.

I've bought 11 Dell PCs so far this year, which is a strong personal testimonial to the quality of the company and their products, but I have no loyalty towards Dell. For a given configuration, I'll take the cheapest box offered by the top brands: Dell, Compaq, Hewlett Packard and IBM.

Earnings estimates and revisions for Dell continue to trend upwards, but the rate of growth seems to be slowing. The chart below shows the 12-month-forward earnings estimates and one-month earnings revisions for Dell over the last two and a half years.

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Dell has done a tremendous job harnessing the power of the Internet to expand their customer base and productivity. In the process, however, they've released the genie from the bottle. By providing an even-handed marketing and distribution network, the Internet will continue to act as a catalyst, driving prices on servers and high end workstations down to their marginal cost.

The table below shows the valuation and size of the largest technology companies in the U.S. I note that Dell's market cap is now 29 percent larger than Compaq Computer, which I see as a further indication of Dell's valuation being excessive.

Large Technology Companies
May 15

TkrCompany05/14
PriceEst
P/EMktCap
($Mill)Revenues
($Mill)MSFTMicrosoft88.9444.0216,54613,664INTCIntel84.5624.8137,56624,623IBMIBM125.8118.5120,35978,818LULucent71.3139.792,79528,154CSCOCisco76.0636.877,8107,298HWPHewlett-Packard70.3119.472,68944,416DELLDell95.2547.460,99012,327CPQCompaq31.5631.247,34325,466XRXXerox107.8821.935,27818,448MOTMotorola58.2531.834,81630,038CAComputer Associates58.0623.631,7054,457ORCLOracle26.2523.025,5536,679TXNTexas Instruments62.1324.724,2609,674EMCEMC44.8829.522,3073,147AUDAutomatic Data Processing66.3129.119,8224,575AOLAmerica Online87.7599.018,4462,039EDSElectronic Data Systems37.0617.218,22315,235SUNWSun42.5616.116,0619,452FDCFirst Data35.4420.715,9095,223<Picture>
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Ted Murphy (ted@pdgm.com) operates the MarketPlayer Web site. Prior to MarketPlayer, he was a partner at Equinox Capital Management. Under no circumstances does the information in this column represent a recommendation to buy or sell stocks.

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To: jjs_ynot who wrote (676)5/17/1998 2:32:00 PM
From: Dell-icious  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 2578
 

On what basis do you think an intermediate top has been reached? If past trends before earnings/options expirations are any indication, we are due for a 5-8 point rise by end of Tuesday, with a further gap-up possible Wednesday depending on how much DELL beats estimates by and forward-looking statements.
Dell-icious



To: jjs_ynot who wrote (676)5/18/1998 12:01:00 AM
From: Moominoid  Respond to of 2578
 
I think that I am going to start building a short position in DELL on Monday and build it going
forward. It appears that an intermediate top may have been reached.


Unlike the recent Microsoft peak which I played almost perfectly I have screwed up on DELL so far. I think there is a chance to get some of my money back though. We now have the clearest sign of a peak so far and I think the support level is $77 (34 day moving average). However, there is a significant chance that the price will just go sideways from now on. The chance of another major rise is pretty low. I'd be happy to E-mail you my chart I used for this analysis if you're interested. I use the chart together with some related time series statistics - both now show a peak.

David