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To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (22065)5/17/1998 11:04:00 PM
From: E_K_S  Respond to of 42771
 
Hi Salah - Good overview and I will be comparing your estimates with the reported results. One other item I will be looking at is the free flow cash flow.

The new construction in San Jose continues and the steel structure is almost finished. I understand that once the new construction is completed Novell plans to move the Fortune Ave. facility to the new buildings with a net savings in rent. However, the overall savings is small there is still a slight positive looking forward.

I hope those revenues are stable and I am keeping my fingers crossed that maybe they will be a bit higher than your estimates.

In any case, it appears that Microsoft may have some problems with the DOJ which may allow Novell some additional time to bring forward their new products.

EKS



To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (22065)5/17/1998 11:04:00 PM
From: Steve Fancy  Respond to of 42771
 
Salah, your posts have been missed also. It does look like hype may carry the stock higher, especially if earnings and/or revenues are in line. An initial negative you may have overlooked is the looming lawsuit, though this could turn into the best thing that ever happened to Novell if Mr Young is unseated and thrown out the window, along with the rest of the BOD (possible exception Dr Schmidt). I view Mr Young as the Suharto of Novell. I still believe a new BOD of competent executives with pertinent backgrounds would give Novell the largest one time pop it would likely ever experience. I would venture a guess (my opinion) that the reason the temporary CFO (Mr Youngs old time buddy if I understand) has not been replaced is so that Mr Young can keep his fingers indirectly in the likely audit of previous years activity.

Regarding marketing, I'll bet their position (excuse) would revolve around the NW 5 release. Logic would say they'll kick this off with a huge marketing campaign, but as you and I know, this company has defied logic at almost every corner.

I have no current position in Novell either, and wish all the longs luck.

Salah, I'd sure like to see your analysis of TBR. This ones about to pop IMO. Stock closed at 116 1/2 Friday, analyst valuations range from 150 or so to 209 by mid-July as the 53 companies that make up the largest phone company in the southern hemisphere are auctioned off. Many, many situations have held it back, but it's busting at the seams. You may want to watch it next week. Was referred to this weekend in Barrons as the "mother of all privatizations".

In any case, welcome back and thanks for the post. I have had you bookmarked and have been anxiously waiting for some words, where ever they may appear. Good luck to you!

sf



To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (22065)5/17/1998 11:43:00 PM
From: Paul Fiondella  Respond to of 42771
 
Couldn't agree more

" The myth that Schmidt materially improved Novell product strategy isn't true, his strategy is basically the same as that of Frankenberg's, if there are some differences, they aren't significant. Schmidt hasn't solved the main problem novell had and still has "MARKETING". Yes, I agree with Toy and others that their products are superior and the new products are impressive (Bordermanager, NDS on NT, Zen, ..etc.), but without strong marketing they are not growing. The fact remains they are selling products in a market which grows at about 30% annually (my estimate) and they can't grow their revenues. It is clear to me that they are losing market share at a hefty clip, or maybe someone has an explanation for stagnant (or declining) revenues with all these fantastic new products."

===================

Here's where I think we all missed the boat that Joe Antol got on. No amount of marketing, good products, or execution can substitute for a strategy of dealing with MSFT, the monopoly, as it tightens its grip on your market. Its Kill or Be Killed. (A reference to a WWII training film) A company like IBM --- broadly diversified --- can fight back by emphasizing some other set of products. Novell however with a narrow NOS focus is doomed.

The battle was over before most of us even invested in this company. Back in Frankenberg's day there was a chance for them to be bought out. Now Novell's chances are to hold onto some niche and downsize into it. You simply cannot fight a monopoly with good products or intentions or nostalgia for past glory.

We have all seen what those OEM contracts Microsoft signs smell like. I wonder what the contracts they sign with major corporations look like! Buy Novell and we cut off your support---as they threatened with NDS for NT?

I don't think Schmidt has come up with any strategy to deal with this situation and in that sense he is no different from his immediate predecessors.




To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (22065)5/17/1998 11:52:00 PM
From: DJBEINO  Respond to of 42771
 
First Call Consensus Earnings Estimates as of 05/16/98
Latest Price:10.50
Industry:Software
FYE:Oct 98
Consensus Recommendation:Buy

Current Mean EPS 0.04
Number of Brokers 10
High Estimate 0.06
Low Estimate 0.02



To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (22065)5/18/1998 6:39:00 AM
From: EPS  Respond to of 42771
 
Salah,

You make valid points. I have also criticized Schmidt and
I am quite aware of some of his shortcomings but I
still believe he is providing high quality leadership to
a company that badly needs it. His Java initiative, focus
on Internet, cooperation with MSFT, creation of new lines of
products are good solid contributions that sooner or later
will show up in the bottom line.

The section of your paper
***************************
Is Novell Turning Around?


is IMHO by far the weakest. The criteria you use

1. Insiders start buying the stock in the open market

2. Consistent revenue growth (I Agree with you here!)

3. The marketing type guys (Lake & Carlos) who sometimes post
in this thread start telling us that Novell marketing is OK.


is the weakest link of the chain. At this point I cannot but recall from my radical Berkeley days what Lenin(?) once said: the chain is broken through its weakest link.

Thanks again for elevating by leaps and bounds
the level of the thread.

Regards

Victor



To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (22065)5/18/1998 8:10:00 AM
From: ToySoldier  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42771
 
Salah,

That was a very good analysis of NOVL's earnings prediction and what you think is the good and bad about NOVL.

Based on the factors that you have kept in mind, NOVL's future wouldn't look too good. BUT, you are missing a couple things.

First of all NW5 and even IntranetWare 4.11 will not just see a blip in sales. They should see a good strong increase in demand over the next 3-4 quarters. WHY? Because many of the long term fence-sitters of older versions of NetWare (3.11 2.x 4.10 4.0x) MUST upgrade their software to become Y2K compliant. I predict this will generate some substantial revenue for NOVL! I know for a fact that this will happen since I am employed by a large systems integrator/outsourcer and our clients are in the process right now of evaluating what software must be upgraded. They have all been given additional budgets to address these inevitable upgrades. So it will happen. And before you mention it, most will perform a simple upgrade within the Novell product line and not switch to MSFT.

The other factor you haven't taken into account is the recent building of excitement and acceptance of NDS as the leading Directory Service that can now effectively mange even NT! Many big corporations are starting to see the true TCO savings that a mature DS like NDS can deliver. They also are coming to the realization that MSFT's Active Directory will not be out to provide this similar functional in the forseeable future.

The other factor is the "Comeback" story in the computer industry itself is starting to shake this stupid mindset in a lot of I.T. decision makers that NOVL will not be around in a couple years. You wouldn't believe how many of these fears I have heard last year that actually was the major factor why they were going NT. Now that Wall Street and the computer industry press is continually projecting that NOVL is back, these IT decision makers will again make commitments to NOVL products.

Combine all this with the fact that NOVL is putting out some great new products now and on time so far, I think that you are being a bit BEARISH.

I still project that NW5 and ZENWorks will take NOVL earnings far. Then I think that NDS for NT with NT replication will further push NOVL's revenue and market share strengthening.

NOVL's price will stay above $11 after this week. I predict that the share price will build in spurts to the upper teens by November.

Just my 2 cents.

Toy



To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (22065)5/18/1998 12:42:00 PM
From: Joe Antol  Respond to of 42771
 
Hi Salah: Well, that doesn't mean I'm not here <g>. As usual, an
excellent analysis. I totally agree. The reason I haven't been
posting is, well frankly, anyone who got in at or near the low to
present has made their 4 points or so. And that's good. But as you,
and I and a WHOLE lot of other people here know, there are a LOT of
people avgd'd at 13 or better. Schmidt and company have got to do a
helluva lot better than they have to make them happy. Again, you know
I liquidated my remaining position in 11/97 (cost 8.666) at 9 3/8
after earnings. Well, after 7 months it ain't a helluva lot better.
And, as soon as the "games" are done being played between MSFT the
DOJ and the States (chest thumping on the DOJ and States part <g>),
well, .... you know what's gonna happen. Hope you're well. Rdgs, Joe.



To: Salah Mohamed who wrote (22065)5/26/1998 1:04:00 AM
From: Frederick Smart  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 42771
 
Salah: My Thoughts....

>>Q2 Estimates

Revenues = 250M
Note: Schmidt indicated that business is stable, I concluded that
revenues are about the same as Q1 (252M).

Total Expenses = 245M
Note: Q1 expenses were 247M and they said costs can't be reduced
further, I assumed they could reduce by about 2M.

Other Income = 14M (about the same as Q1)

Gross Income = 250 + 14 -245 = 19M

Income Taxes = 6M (about 32%)

Net Income = 19 - 6 = 13M

Shares = 353M

EPS = 13/353 = $.04

The key number is 'revenues'. If they are around 250M, then the
situation is 'stable'. If they are materially higher, then progress
is being made>>

Let's say progress is being made......

>>Future Growth

I don't see it. True, they have a window of opportunity between the
release of NW5 and NT5, but this is going to be temporary. NW isn't
the dominant NOS it used to be and never will be again, NT is
becoming the defacto standard regardless of its shortcomings.>>

NT the defacto standard of what?? For the small guys you are right, but the enterprise is still solidly with Novell in more ways than many realize. 5.0 has a 6 mo. to 1+ year lead on NT5.0. If Y2K impedes NT5.0 acceptance then move that out. What about the DO? Split the company? Dems need the money. Asia's over. Watch them walk the fence: Silicon Valley / MSFT. Fact is, Gates cannot pull the same power grab with NThe did with windows. The marketplace for NOSs will become dispersed as the Global Network takes on more power and functionality. Result, all NOSs get a free-ride boost. Novell's Network services thrust puts it out front where NT can't even go for another 2+ years.

>Novell releases NW5 the quarterly revenues will surge to about 270M and then will return to the 'stable' level of around 250M. In fact,
that is what happened when they released Green River in Q4-96, except that things went to pot from there. I don't understand it, Schmidt was brought in to turn the company around, and the best he could do is to stabilize revenues at 250M, about 100M less than the quarterly revenues (factoring in channel stuffing) prior to his appointment.>>

Salah, this is like reading last years paper. Great copy during the Antol days, but the world has changed. Novell is not the same old company anymore. There is a new spirit which these comments fails to address. Look at the new products, all the awards, growing and positive mindshare that's building, etc.

You are still grounded in this rear-view mirror mentality. Once dog, always a dog, etc.

>>This brings me to the main point I want to address.
***************************
Schmidt Performance

I read all these great reviews about Schmidt performance from all
sources (people in the thread, a representative of Noorda, and trade
magazines articles especially the article by Jamie Lewis), and I
tell myself I should have missed something because although I like
the guy, I think his performance is mediocre, at best. Personally, I
don't think the situation would be much different if Frankenberg
stayed on. The myth that Schmidt materially improved Novell product
strategy isn't true, his strategy is basically the same as that of
Frankenberg's, if there are some differences, they aren't
significant. Schmidt hasn't solved the main problem novell had and
still has "MARKETING". Yes, I agree with Toy and others that their
products are superior and the new products are impressive
(Bordermanager, NDS on NT, Zen, ..etc.), but without strong marketing they are not growing. The fact remains they are selling products in a market which grows at about 30% annually (my estimate) and they can't grow their revenues. It is clear to me that they are losing market share at a hefty clip, or maybe someone has an explanation for stagnant (or declining) revenues with all these fantastic new products.>>

Ok, ok, ok....let's let the record speak going forward. We've made the turn. It takes time to build momemtum.

>> Let's review briefly Schmidt Performance:

The Good:

1. Reduced manpower by 1000. Although they needed to reduce manpower by 1500-2000, the remaining 500-1000 are being eliminated by attrition (200 in Q1-98).

2. Reduced total expenses by about 60M/quarter.

3. Surprised the Street with robust revenues for Q4-97 of 269M.>>

Agree

>>The Bad:

1. Contrary to all the reports about getting products out on time,
none of the products was released on time in Schmidt era, e.g.: NW5
was originally scheduled for Summer 97, then Dec. 97, then June 98,
then Summer 98, then .....>>

Let's move through this and then judge....

>>2. Conceded the small business market to MSFT, and still Novell
doesn't have an answer to NT for the low end.>>

Face it, NT grows from the success of Windows, period. If, over time, Window's dominance is met by alternatives - Java - then Java apps will come into play, making Novell's offering more attractive at the low and high end alike. I'm not trying to say they are banking on the success of Java or 5.0. What I believe in is that, fundamentally, over time, the power of the Global Network will enhance all existing NOSs in ways that are more closely aligned to the ways they enhance network services. Schmidt is placing Novell squarely in the middle of this road. I see NT still being positioned as if the monopoly power grab will be sufficient to keep it in play.

>>3. No change in the BOD even after the biggest shareholder (Noorda) requested it.>>

These things move slowly. I'll bet more is happening in this area than any of us realize. The catalyst is out there: Noorda & Schmidt. When you have a catalyst things happen.

>>4. Couldn't convince the big boys to adopt NDS (Sun, IBM, Oracle,
etc.), now he is talking about metadirectory.>>

Give me a break. We don't have NDS for NT running natively yet and you are quickly sounding the alarm. As best I can tell, NDS is being received very well.

>>5. Couldn't recruit a COO for over 6-9 months now.>>

Agree....

>>6. His latest 2 interviews on CNBC were pathetic.>>

He's no poster boy....

>>The Ugly:

1. Marketing strategy is not working. I guess his original 3-step
plan of Survive/Strive/Lead is progressing very slowly, I guess we
still are in stage 1, Survival.>>

Cheap shot. Novell has all the marks of a company poised to strive and lead going forward. We are past the bottom survival stage.

>>2. He followed the tradition of the 2 previous Novell CEO's, lying to
investors and WS, although he said when he was appointed that this
was in the past and he can't do anything about the past. Here are the
lies:

a. Preannouncement of Q2-97, revenues will be 300M-335M, actual
revenues 273M.

b. Projections for Q3-97 were about 270M revenues and 25M-35M charge for layoffs, actual numbers were 220M (normalized) and 55M,
respectively.

c. Projection for Q1-98 indicated flat or slightly lower revenues
relative to Q4-97 (269M), actual revenues were 253M, this is
misleading.>>

The channel problem is behind us. Schmidt took this into his hands and fessed up in a very open way. There's alot of BS that went on prior to his arrival - no question. The record he's documented inspires confidence.

>>When the CEO and other executives lie to WS and investors, it is one of two things, both bad, either they want to mislead or they don't
know what they are talking about, take your pick>>

A loaded statement Salah. Come on you don' t have the Antol chorus to validate and whine such gutter talk. If you really want to promote the discovery of truth comments such as this only point back at you.

>>. For Q2-98, his main theme was that business is stable, I took that to mean revenues will stay flat, let's see if he surprises us either way.
***************************
Is Novell Turning Around?

The simple answer is 'no', I personally don't understand ML upgrade
except if he is doing this in anticipation of a surge in the stock
price due to the imminent release of NW5. Fundamentals haven't
changed, their status follows the stagnation scenario of post # 14205
IMO. A turnaround will be in effect when we see one or more of the
following:

1. Insiders start buying the stock in the open market

2. Consistent revenue growth

3. The marketing type guys (Lake & Carlos) who sometimes post in this thread start telling us that Novell marketing is OK.>>

Agree Salah. Points well taken. All needed.

***************************

>>In closing, I'm sure some people will jump in and say I'm bearish
and/or I'm shorting the stock, the fact of the matter is I don't have
a position in the stock, but my knowledge about the company maybe
useful to some people. Joe hasn't posted for a long time, I miss his
posts.>>

Joe will be back after he reads this.....if only to slap you five....

>>Regards to all

Salah>>

Respectfully,

Fred