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To: White Shoes who wrote (76)5/19/1998 12:44:00 AM
From: Michael Burry  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 271
 
White Shoes,

Good to hear from you again.

Re: Coke as a bond, I've heard this argument from many
a bull who wishes that this market will bear fruit forever.
You can take any stock and figure that it's earnings yield
is the coupon on a bond, and then expand that coupon yearly
by the earnings growth, and then take it into perpetuity
and then say hey look at this massive amount - stocks are
still undervalued! But to get the present value you have
to have a discount rate, which is a function of the risk
you are taking as well as the return you are demanding on
your investment. This discount rate is subject to all
kinds of manipulation which basically means that I don't
trust anyone who makes this argument unless it's
me. Largely, I believe they will underestimate the risk when
dealing with perpetuity in equities. Hence the discount
rate will be smaller than it should be and hence the
present value will be larger than it should be.
The worst offenders will pretend they are Buffett and
eliminate the risk adjustment to the discount rate
altogether!

I'm really tired and I'm not willing to proofread
what I just wrote, but I hope it makes some sense, but
to sum it up I do believe this analyst should be
smoking something.

Mike




To: White Shoes who wrote (76)5/21/1998 9:33:00 PM
From: Bonnie Bear  Respond to of 271
 
re valuing Coke like a bond---
there's some analysts who look at interest rates like entrophy in the universe...they can only wind down and down and down. So if an analyst is looking at 3.5% interest rates in 2000 and zero or negative inflation, then they can ignore reality and keep propping the price up based on the value of their bond holdings.
um, te value of Coke is like, er, coke... the analysts must be on drugs.