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To: Father Terrence who wrote (21763)5/19/1998 9:49:00 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
FT- man is a communal creature. To be communal we live in societies. To live in societies, we form social compacts. To form social compacts we give up certain individual freedoms to gain communal benefits. There will always be individuals who wish for complete freedom to do whatever they want TO OTHER people. Those people need to be controlled by the community. There will always be people who cannot function at a high enough level to adequately provide for themselves, out of compassion most people would want to provide for those people.

Before safety nets during the great depression my mother lived in a slum in Chicago. There were plenty of people begging for food because there was nothing else they could do. Hordes of men road the rails looking for work, and not finding any. My relatives in Kentucky, who were farmers and did not suffer greatly, remember hungry people constantly stopping by their houses looking for handouts of food. My grandmother remembered being locked into her workplace, in the days before protections for workers. I could go on and on, but you are an extremist and there is really no point in giving you examples that you will just ignore. And you never did tell me what YOU would do with people who are incapable of functioning at a very high skill level. I asked you how you would deal with them and you did not answer me.



To: Father Terrence who wrote (21763)5/21/1998 12:54:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
What are the most free societies? Frontier societies, those beyond the reach of law. It has been shown across six thousand years of history that the rule of force gets and holds the upper hand in such a setting. Nothing mystical about it - the guy who can swing the biggest blade makes the rules.