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To: Rarebird who wrote (1622)5/19/1998 10:06:00 AM
From: Joe Wesley  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 6439
 
Hi RB:

I am a non-smoker and watched two uncles die from their addiction to nicotine and attempt to stop any teen I deal with from starting smoking.

This Congressional bill will solve little only have the federal and state governments as addicted to an increased revenue stream from tobacco cos. as the smokers are to the nicotine.

Stopping teen smoking is the responsibility of the teen's parents, parent, or keeper.

With over 35% of smokers below the poverty level I am sure the costs of this bill will be paid by the non-smoking taxpayer.

Regardless of how this bill is passed soon afterward the tobacco companies will be protected from litigation so the revenue stream will be secured.

Your investment is a no-brainer.




To: Rarebird who wrote (1622)5/19/1998 11:39:00 AM
From: Ralph Bergmann  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6439
 
Some questions:

1) What percentage of the liabilities has MO to pay?
2) Does the yearly 8 billion restriction also include liabilities from
private suits?
3) How will the worst case bill affect earnigs for MO?

Thanks Ralph



To: Rarebird who wrote (1622)5/19/1998 12:34:00 PM
From: don kramer  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 6439
 
Rarebird, Not all cards have been revealed.

As you know, I have previously indicated, that the
Federal Courts, upon appeal have not been given the weight
of importance, in this ongoing analysis.

I beleve the Courts (FEDERAL) appeals etc.. are the
hidden cards, which may turn this upside down.

First, may I remind you, that the 3 man Appeals Court
has yet to rule on the decision about the FDA jurisdiction
declaring that FDA can assume jurisdiction.

Second, we have a list of FEDERAL courts overturning,
class-action cases and ruling against plaintiff's cases
against Tobacco, as a "rule of law". I do not know the
exact jargon, but have been struck by the phrases which
the Federal judges use, i.e., "...no grounds to sue..." or
no basis in law, or the causal effect are too far .
or the state can not stand in the "shoes" of the plaintiff...
blah..blah...blah..

Third, the (IMHO) clear unconstitutional violation of the
First Amendment with respect to advertising, freedom to associate,
etc..
also,, how about something called "DUE PROCESS" free of
predijucial or judicial bias.
how about errors in court procedure, arbitrary prevention of
using various issues in defense. i.e., the MINN. case.

and
finally,

the most insidious issue, is this so called "look back" penalty??

where did this idea. come.. from...???

well, what ever the strategy which Bible of MO and Goldstone, and
Tisch and the others are employing...
I assume, that they did not get to where they are today, without
some smarts.
and part of that "smarts.." is to take care of the shareholders.

us!!
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AND to
EVERYONE, send an email, indicating that you agree with Senator
Hollings today of S.Carolina, when yesterday, Sen. Hollings revealed
that McCain was using this issue as a springboard for furthuring
McCain's political ambitions. ...McCain NOT interested in a HolyGrail
or "bi-partisan" cooperation. No.,, just self-interest.

EVERYONE, Don't say I will get to it. Do it right know, the e-mail
addresses are above. Don't argue. Do it!!!
----------------------------------------------------
on a purely personal note...

McCain,?? I completely lost respect for this man. 6 years in
a N.Vietnam jail, and now, look at this man..
for a piece of silver, he turns against,
commonsense and morality and ethics and what ever "good" governemt
is suppose to mean. I do NOT know what happened to this man.
But something got to him. He withstood POW torture. But now...
look...what he and all those others...have become...

REMEMBER..what the 19th centry political economist-philospher from
England, DAVID HUME once wrote.

"We rarely loose ALL our freedoms, ALL at once..." !!

First, MO, then Microsoft, then what...????

i remain cynical , angry, suspicious and long MO,

dk



To: Rarebird who wrote (1622)5/19/1998 6:25:00 PM
From: Thomas Haegin  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 6439
 
Rarebird and All,

I may ask a real stupid question here, but I'll take the risk: Let's assume for a moment a tobacco bill McCain or midified or whatever will pass the Senate. Will this Senate Bill then be discussed by the House of Representatives? I would think so. Please educate me.

If so, chances are that the House wants changes, so it goes back to the Senate and back and forth... and will the President have to sign any Bill off, after both House and Senate have agreed? I'm suggesting that it still could be some time off until a definitive Bill will actually become law.

Isn't any Senate Bill just a fresh start? Or would you expect the House to follow the Senate pretty much in line?

Thanks a lot,
Thomas