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To: porcupine --''''> who wrote (338)5/19/1998 4:26:00 PM
From: jbe  Respond to of 1722
 
Porcupine -- I have visited your website (GADR), and find it very, very interesting and informative. I do have a few questions about your methodology, which I hope you can address.

1) Let me note that most web financial reporting services use the formula -- net income + depreciation + amortization + depletion, minus capital spending (necessary or discretionary) -- to compute what they call "free cash flow." (They do not figure in changes in working capital, in other words.) You prefer to use it to compute what you call "cash earnings."

Fine. I have no problem with that. In fact, it even makes it easier to compare the current cash earnings situation of a particular company to the Dow, or the S&P, or the whole universe of stocks out there. You simply calculate the current P/CE ratio for company A, and then compare that to the average price/free cash flow ratios for the S&P, or for the industry it's in, or whatever, supplied by the web reporting services.

The problem comes with P/CE projections. I can see how you would work out a 12-month, or a 5-year, projection for Company A -- but for the whole S& P? For the whole industry? That would involve working out ratios for every individual company you wanted to compare Company A to, and then feeding all that data into a computer program. Do you have such a computer program? I ask because the P/CE of Company A would be meaningless, without some standard of comparison, which could tell you whether its ratio was "too high," "too low," or "just right." (Not that I want to invoke any bears here.)

2) I notice you don't make any reference to "discounting" the stream of future free cash flows/cash earnings. Do you not use any discounting system at all?

3) I also notice that you don't mention debt in your methodology write-up. Doesn't debt have a bearing on cash earnings? Take GM, one of the stocks in your Dow Value Portfolio, for example. Sure, it has carloads of cash. It also has high debt. Let me quote some excerpts from an on-the-one-hand, on-the other-hand type of article on GM that appeared on Morningstar.net recently.

First, the "on the one hand" part:

...Cyclicals....tend not to be great companies. They're capital-intensive, and they usually need tons of debt to leverage their operating returns on capital into competitive returns on equity. For example, GM's return on equity...was 35% in 1997, in the same ballpark as noncyclical Gillette's 29% ROE. But whereas Gillette's debt level was just a fraction of is equity, GM's debt was 11 times -- yes, 11 times -- its equity. GM needed all that debt to leverage up its lowly 2.7% operating profitability (i.e., ROA). Gillette, on the other hand, generated an above-average ROA of 13%, so it didn't need a lot of leverage to jack up its return on equity.

The problem with debt is that it makes earnings more volatile. That's because the interest expense on the debt is a fixed cost that doesn't decline when a company's business sours. So it reduces already poor earnings even further, sometimes precipitating bankruptcy, or at least a big restructuring. Combine heavy debt with a business that's known to vary directly with the broad economic cycle, and you're almost guaranteed losses every three to seven years, along with all the trauma and upheaval associated with the company's efforts to turn around. Not great company material.


Now, for the "on the other hand" part:

..On the plus side, GM generates a lot of free cash flow. This means that even after spending money to upgrade its plant and equipment-- and GM spends a lot, more than $10 billion in 1997 -- the company still has more than $6 billion left over. With this money, it can pay more dividends, buy back stock, pay down debt, build cash reserves, or make acquisitions. GM has such low operating returns that it doesn't make much sense for the company to hold on to its free cash flow.

?? Then why not use more of it to pay down debt? Or would that depress ROA still further??

Any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

jbe (a purely amateur investor)



To: porcupine --''''> who wrote (338)5/28/1998 8:19:00 PM
From: porcupine --''''>  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1722
 
IBM to announce its biggest network computer order.

NEW YORK, May 27 (Reuters) - International Business
Machines Corp. has been awarded a contract to replace
personal computers used by a British-based travel agency with
more than 2,000 network computers and servers, in its largest
order to date in the fledgling computing segment.
IBM is expected to make a formal announcement of the
contract on Thursday. Under the agreement, it will equip
Carlson Worldchoice with 2,000 of its Network Station network
computers -- the low-cost, stripped-down devices that some
companies have pitched as replacements for personal computers
on corporate desktops.
IBM will also install 400 of its Netfinity 3500 model
server computers. The Netfinity is IBM's line of servers based
on Intel Corp. processors.
While IBM declined to offer a price tag on the contract,
industry sources estimated the value of the deal at about $5
million, based on pricing for the various hardware.
While that is small for a company of IBM's size, it still
would rank as the company's largest single NC order and
represents something of a vote of confidence in the technology
even as some other computer companies have shown signs of
backing away from the segment.
Network computers failed to achieve the widespread
acceptance early advocates such as Oracle Corp. had
hoped for, in large part because much of their potential price
advantage evaporated amid a sharp decline in PC prices.
Still, analysts have looked to transaction-intensive
industries such as travel and finance, where many companies
relied on terminals linked to mainframes in the past, as likely
fertile ground for network computers.
Carlson Worldchoice, a unit of Minneapolis-based Carlson
Cos. Inc., will use the new equipment to replace its existing
personal computers. The new setup will also rely on Sun
Microsystems Inc.'s Java programming environment for
much of its network and Internet function.
((Richard Melville, New York newsroom, 212-859-1731))