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To: DLL who wrote (16159)	5/22/1998 3:37:00 PM
From: DLL	Respond to of 39621

Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible by Hugh Ross, Ph.D. Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead. (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013.)

To: DLL who wrote (16159)	5/22/1998 3:41:00 PM
From: DLL	Respond to of 39621

Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible by Hugh Ross, Ph.D. The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile. (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1015.)

To: DLL who wrote (16159)	5/22/1998 3:42:00 PM
From: DLL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel. (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109.)

To: DLL who wrote (16159)	5/22/1998 3:45:00 PM
From: DLL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24). This prophetic statement sweeps across 3500 years of history to its complete fulfillment-in our lifetime. (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 120.)

To: DLL who wrote (16159)	5/22/1998 3:46:00 PM
From: DLL	Respond to of 39621

Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible by Hugh Ross, Ph.D. (9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region. (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.) (10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (I Kings 16:33-34). (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10~). (11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously-and accurately, according to the eye-witness account-by a group of fifty prophets (II Kings 2:3-11). (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109).

To: DLL who wrote (16159)	5/22/1998 3:46:00 PM
From: Sam Ferguson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Apparently you wouldn't understand no matter what. You constantly repeatmy statements twisting them into your concepts. I will repeat I learned of God directly. You had no problem with the Apostle Paul who experienced his knowledge the same way. Why should it be different today. I never stated the bible was no use. I said I did not accept it as the inspired word of God. If you really want to understand have some unbiased person explain what the message is. I think you are resposible for promoting a belief which places mans God outside himself. There is much evil in the bible, conducted by people who God chose for his people as favorites and rewarded. Therefore people are misled from their knowledge of right living. The reason it has lasted ince its inception is that it contains much truth, even my experience, and I think the truths there are a great guide for living; provided you are able to distinguish the truth and blow away the ignorant chaff. I speak with no more authority than anyone else. I lived 50 yrs thinking I was a baptized Christian sinner. God revealed my true and that made me free. Free from my evil, begging, self, trying to live right and really deep down inside terrified of the hell I was heading for. After God made me aware of his existence and one-ness it gave me real salvation from the negative image I had of myself. When I saw the overwhelming person I really was then I started trying to learn what my image was because my concept of who I was changed the moment of that union. I am now a neophite trying to eliminte my animal instincts and learn the ways from the God that is one with me. This is the best I can with words. I do not think words can convey spiritual experiences no matter the source. Now quit bugging me as I have made every attempt to answer your questions. I decided to write one more time in case you really did want me to explain because you could see why we have differences. You folks have taken over the other God echoes in the Coffee Shop. There are some who choose to stop here because they are seeking to know more of God. They all are not content with what they know and are able to glean from experience. That is my only purpose in being here to share my experiences. I realize that my thinking and reasoning in a renegrade to yours. I am not interested in putting down another for egotistical reasons. I am serving myself and my God in a very poor manner if there is no truth in what I say.

To: DLL who wrote (16159)	5/22/1998 3:48:00 PM
From: DLL	Respond to of 39621

Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible by Hugh Ross, Ph.D. Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)-that chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote. Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter (see Signs of the End, Tribulation Dooms, and The Rapture Promise). Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? (See the paper entitled Grace for a list of these benefits.) Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives? Now is the day of salvation! Now is the time of God's favor! Please do not let it go by without further consideration