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To: Grainne who wrote (21932)	5/23/1998 1:45:00 AM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

C: What's happened to the "libertarian" you claimed to be?? Work camps!!!!! Well, Sieg Heil! I would sure hate to be poor and in your version of "Amerika". You may not mind being robbed if you volunteer to be robbed. But what right do other individuals have in deciding that I can be robbed against my will? None. Not in a free country. This is what the Whiskey Rebellion was all about. As for your ideas about drugs, I agree. Many who are now "criminals" and in jail would've been considered good citizens 100 years ago. Many of the Southern belles of the 1800s would have been doing time today as they used to be sitting around on their porches during the sultry southern summers with their cronies snorting cocaine daintily from their snuff bejeweled snuff boxes. All used to be legal, now illegal. If the government had its way totally smokers, beer drinkers, and imbibers of alcohol (and the producers of such) would all be cooling their heels in a federal slammer. As for the "top of the heap" you've never been there so you make whopping (and erroneous) assumptions. Finally, individuals who succeed do not "take" they create, thus giving all the non-creators items of value that never would have existed without their (in some cases) supreme efforts. You have the picture backwards. The takers are the non-productive. FT

To: Grainne who wrote (21932)	5/23/1998 8:17:00 AM
From: Skipper	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine, <<Like X, I am willing to pay quite a bit in taxes so that there is not a daily parade of suffering souls when I go outside, or anyone desperate enough to break into my little world at home and hurt me or my family just to survive, or get his next fix.>> Excuse me, but there IS a daily parade of suffering souls when you go outside, and many who are willing to hurt you or your family. You can choose to be bogged down in this morass of human failure if you wish, but I won't. Either people have the guts to live, or they don't. I had plenty of help to get where I am, but I also made the effort. You can't help people who won't make the effort, and all of the resources that we currently spend on people who will not make the effort is a tremendous waste. As an individual I can verify whether I am helping someone who will make the effort. The government programs cannot make that distinction. And if government social programs exist because of the willingness of the majority of voters to help others, wouldn't those same voters help others individually if the government programs didn't exist? You are abdicating the responsibility to deal with people on a personal level, for one thing, and, for another, you are not just giving your own dollars away but mine as well. Please explain the morality behind that. Skipper