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To: Grainne who wrote (16229)	5/23/1998 7:23:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Christine, The attitude of men to women is not unique to Judaism and that time frame. How about Islam, Muslim, etc.. If anything Jesus was the most loving and respectful to women of any spiritual Leader. 1. The woman caught in adultry, He sent her accusers away after asking them where her partner was and whoever was without sin could cast the first stone. 2. The prostitute that washed His feet with her tears and He forgave her even though the others were angry with Him for letting her touch Him. 3. Miriam and Martha were friends of His that He stayed with often. 4. There were women that supported His ministry . The list could go on and on. What you see is not a reflection of His will for women but their will for themselves in oppression. Alan makes the final decisions when we disagree and I delight in waiting to say I TOLD YOU SO, with an angelic grin of course. However he would be offended by degrading of any woman as Jesus was. In Pauls ministry he used many women that are mentioned even Lydia who had a factory making fine purle fabrics. The Old Testament was a different time and again men choose to treat women as they did and it is not always a reflection of Gods will and besides there are many religions that treat women a lot worse than Judaism. Good to communicate with you, Nancy

To: Grainne who wrote (16229)	5/25/1998 3:16:00 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Christine, Sorry for the late reply to your post. Took the time Sat. to take a couple 7 year olds to see The Greatest Show on Earth--Barnum & Bailey Circus. Last time I was there was over l0 yrs. ago but it hasn't changed all that much. The kids enjoyed it. Anyway, that & other duties delayed this post. Yes, I believe both the reasons you cited re why women were denigrated & repressed for so many centuries are vallid. First, human reasoning tells us that childbirth alone would give the earliest humans(who had no biological knowledge or any other kind) a reason to worship woman in the earliest years of humankind. Second, I agree that woman's more gentle, loving nature made it all too easy for those who wanted to dethrone her. The mission to wipe all thought of a female ever being able to lead from the human psyche was so intense that it accomplished exactly what it set out to do. In fact, to the point that now even some other women consider any female who utters anything she deems anti her religious belief a witch. Opened my eyes to the fact that unfortunately woman can sometimes be her own worst enemy. Wonder if those innocent females who were burned at the stake all those centuries were placed there more by another woman's efforts or males. Probably a mixed bag of both. That said, just wanted to warn you that there are those in this forum who have the audacity to announce their belief in witchcraft and then turn around and denounce anyone with religious ideas other than theirs as "nutty" or "crazy." There's all kinds of convoluted thinking in this world isn't there:o) I've noticed that you as well as Sam have encouraged people to stop being so narrow-minded. Congratulations!! There are always those incapable of opening their minds, but it's worth the effort for those who can & will. best wishes, Ann