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To: Heretic who wrote (12107)5/23/1998 11:59:00 PM
From: Terry Rose  Respond to of 116823
 
Reed, Thank you for a very insightful post. This blows out of the water the idea that inflation is dead. Healthcare and wages are increasing at 4.4% annual rates. Goldilocks we have a problem.

Terry,



To: Heretic who wrote (12107)5/24/1998 7:19:00 AM
From: ForYourEyesOnly  Respond to of 116823
 
LBMA Part VI

THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis

Part - 6

This writer will present the entire situation via a
chronicle of all the news publications about the subject,
providing dates sources and authors - where possible. Nearly
all available information was researched from Internet
sources. Most comments are verbatim from respective authors.
Occasionally, this writer added comments of clarification
and/or conclusions where the research leaves off.

Internet Commentary #31 -

Posted on the Internet October 7, 1997 by JTF

@the_turning_point

Vronsky -- I really enjoyed your most recent LBMA expose #5. My
name in lights! I am especially intrigued by the posts from
ANOTHER -- just as captivating as the posts by BIG TRADER. ORACLE
OF ALBERTA's comments are interesting as they allude to a
"powerplay by London to replace New York and Tokyo". The
Rothschilds would have alot to lose if the launching of the ECU
is a disaster -- I like the idead of an e-gold "backup" currency.
Who would know better the true value of gold than a Rothschild?
The terms offered to Britain to join the ECU will give us a clue
to the reality of the situation. One wonders - what is so special
about Britain - perhaps it is because of the location of the
LBMA, and the fact that Britain has not yet agreed to commit to
the ECU. As the Oracle of Alberta says -- the Rothschilds may be
standing behind the Brits to step in if the ECU ( supported by
the regular banking establishment of Europe and America )
falters. As I recall a common European currency was attempted
approximately 500 years ago, and failed. Perhaps this time there
will be a backup.

Internet Commentary #32 -

Posted on the Internet October 8, 1997 by JTF

@LBMA - Sherlock Holmes, where are you?

My brainstorming last night was an attempt to analyze logically
ANOTHER's statements on the assumption they are true.
Inconsistencies come out of such an analysis, so that one can
discern truth from falsehood. I have no inside information of my
own, and my interest is to stimulate discussion on a mystery
which seems to be controlling much of our futures. I doubt that
we will ever know fully what is going on with the LBMA, and why
for the last year or so the dollar and gold are inversly
coorelated, but that gold in non-US$ linked prices has not
dropped anywhere near as much!

kuston: If gold is only insurance during oil transactions, then
it should only play a passive role, and gold price should not be
affected. Are you saying that the gold is to be used only as
collateral, until the deal is closed? Couldn't some of the
oil-producing coutries demand gold and get it? Heaven forbid!
Gold as money -- heresy. Please let us all know what you know. If
we all do this, we might be able to unwrap the enigma.

Organ: I printed your post that you say contradicts Oracle of
Alberta. I also have read somewhere that a number of banks that
represent "old money" in europe have considerable influence over
our Fed Reserve. I don't know details, but something like this is
highly likely. It may not be a conspiracy in the true sense, and
there may be several conflicting agendas. Our A. Greenspan is
undoubtedly aware of most of whats going on behind the scenes. I
don't know what his real priorities are. I think it's worthwhile
to gather as much information as possible and analytically
decipher this, to separate the truth from the falsehood. One
thing I've learned over the years is that the opposite of
imperfect is not perfect -- we will never know exactly what is
going on -- but we should keep at it, and work continuously on
our model -- much the same as coming up with a new physical model
of the universe!

Sherlock Holmes, where are you?

Internet Commentary #33 -

Posted on the Internet October 9, 1997 by JTF

@LBMA

What would you do if you were A Greenspan, and you had a currency
collapse that involved 1/3 of the world, and the world currency
is still dollars? Ans: Print dollars like crazy! How would you
prevent the inflationary consequences at home ( and elsewhere? )
. Ans: Sell gold. I don't know how one does this without buying
something else, but perhaps some clever economic gurus have
figured out how to do this with some kind of derivative gold
trading at the LBMA. E-gold to the rescue again? I think what has
happened is the the Central Banks (and LBMA) are using
derivatives to amplify the effect of their gold to achieve the
activity that we now see. However, my intuitive feeling is that
no matter how cleaver they are, the game is still up when they
run out of gold, or they come to their senses. Derivative gold
trading just delays the inevitable.

Is ANOTHER right? Is part of the problem that oil prices are
about to go up more, and the LBMA has to sell gold to boost the
dollar? The alternative is that this is all speculative trading.
This seems unlikely due to the magnitude of the trend for the
last 1 1/2 years, but I bow to the gold gurus on this.

Internet Commentary #34 -

Posted on the Internet October 10, 1997 by Aurator

Anyone looking for clues on LBMA, perhaps the answer lies in the
other London Metals Exchange. Why not? Surely the good folk
(grinnie) behind the LME, may, well just perhaps *may*, be behind
the LBMA.

I know, if i was a aurochild von Morgan, why, I'd make darnt sure
that my grandchildren wouldn't be suprised by any Johnny Come
Lately, especially after that Rhodes fella tried to take it all,
no, I'd plan in advance, remember, Kondratieff and the only
practical use is for inter-generational planning.. but i digress,
I peregrinate, why is ALL NOT WELL with this institution that is
older than, why even the good ol U.S. of A.... ( I1m just warming
up...)

LME: Not such a shining example

MONDAY OCTOBER 6 1997 (London Financial Times)

By Stefan Wagstyl and Kenneth Gooding

"Thousands of metals traders and their clients this week gather
to mark another record year for the London Metal Exchange, one of
the world's most important commodity markets.

The exchange has recovered with remarkable speed from the shock
of last year's crisis when Sumitomo Corporation of Japan, the
LME's biggest client, disclosed copper trading losses of $2.6bn
(œ1.6bn). A survey of exchange users last year made by the
Securities and Investments Board, the regulator, revealed some
shortcomings in LME procedures, but no fundamental weaknesses.
Turnover is at record levels, running at 20 per cent above last
year. There are profits aplenty to finance this week's champagne.

But celebrations will be tempered by fears that all is not well
with the 121-year-old institution. The exchange is investigating
suspicions that several big trading companies are exerting
excessive influence on metals prices.

In recent months, the authorities have intervened to limit
trading in aluminium and zinc to stop excessive price swings.
With limits already in place in copper and lead, four of the
LME's seven metals are subject to controls.

The LME contributes to the confusion. Its rules do
not require the exchange to explain its actions.
Even the membership of the committees that decide
on intervention is secret.

Following closely after the Sumitomo affair - where the company's
head trader admitted buying huge amounts of metal through
fraudulent transactions - such turmoil raises doubts about
whether LME prices truly reflect international supply and demand.
This is of serious economic concern because almost every
non-ferrous metals contract in the world is drawn up with
reference to LME prices.

The LME draws vociferous criticism from Nymex, its New York
rival. Nymex conforms to tough US laws and claims the LME needs
fundamental reforms to make it more transparent. Some
London-based analysts agree, including Wiktor Bielski, head of
commodities research at Deutsche Morgan Grenfell, a Deutsche Bank
subsidiary, who says: "The LME works like a club. The only way to
change it is to bring in American-style external regulation."

Mr Bielski is in a minority. SIB's review found most LME users
"were broadly content with the service provided". This view is
echoed by Robert Wilson, chairman of Rio Tinto, the world's
biggest mining company. "There is nothing that the LME is doing
that we think it should not be doing," he says. "It is taking
steps to improve. This is not to say that the LME is the ideal
pricing mechanism, but I'm not sure we could think of anything
better."

The LME has grown rapidly in the past decade with turnover
increasing tenfold to more than 50m lots, worth $2,000bn, last
year. The traditional privately owned London companies, which
once dominated LME membership, have been replaced by subsidiaries
of international metals and financial companies.

But the exchange still suffers from the same fundamental
challenge as 10 years ago: it does not control the markets it
sets prices for. Most metals trading takes place outside the LME
and outside the UK, far from the reach of the LME authorities.
This became painfully clear in the Sumitomo affair, when LME
trading revealed no sign of Osaka-based Sumitomo's huge
purchases.

However, the modest part of the world's metal that does go
through the LME's warehouses plays a disproportionately important
role in influencing prices. The LME stocks, for which figures are
published each working day, are the most visible part of the
global supply chain. The stock levels often change rapidly,
generating abrupt price movements. In the long run, the
fundamentals of global supply and demand assert themselves. But
in the short term, the LME tail frequently wags the dog of the
world metals trade.

Such a market can be prone to manipulation. A
trader who grabs control of a chunk of LME stocks
can wreak havoc among those who happen to be short
of metal at a given time. Because LME contracts
are traded on margin (where clients put up just 5
per cent of the contract value), determined
operators do not need huge financial resources. As
little as $20m could be enough to manipulate LME
copper stocks.

With considerably more money at his disposal, Yasuo Hamanaka,
Sumitomo's trader, controlled up to 1m tonnes of copper, or about
10 per cent of world annual consumption. However, since he
concealed his trades through non-LME member intermediaries, the
exchange had little evidence that anything was amiss.

Now the LME authorities are keeping a close eye on zinc and
aluminium. In zinc, prices started rising after reports surfaced
earlier this year that Chinese smelters had gone short (selling
metal they did not have, hoping to buy it later at cheaper
prices). But prices soared instead of falling. When traders heard
Chinese companies were short of metal, they snapped up supplies,
exacerbating the shortage, or "squeeze".

Glencore, the Swiss trading group, was reported to have bought
control of substantial stocks. Willy Strothotte, the chairman,
denied he was profiting unfairly: "We don't believe in cartels
and squeezes. But if we are sometimes cautious [buying metal] so
that we can cover our needs, that has to be accepted." The
shortage of metal for immediate delivery was so acute that the
LME authorities set limits on price movements, which are still in
force.

In aluminium, shortages developed after Glencore bought metal on
the LME at a time when Barclays Metals, a subsidiary of the UK
bank, was holding aluminium stocks off the exchange, from which
it was supplying customers. Unfortunately for Glencore, it sought
particular grades that were in short supply. The price of metal
for immediate delivery soared above the price for metal for
delivery in three months, an abnormal switch that upset the
market. The LME intervened in August and controls remain in
place.

How much these squeezes matter is a moot point. The LME says
long-term studies show prices move broadly in line with long-term
supply and demand and that price volatility has not increased
since the 1970s.

Critics counter that, even if periods of volatility are short,
they still greatly inconvenience users. As BICC, the British
cable maker and a big copper user, says: "We don't think the LME
needs fundamental changes. But this year has seen some strange
behaviour, which leaves users worried about prices."

Given that the LME executive operates in a difficult market,
could it do its job any better? The answer is a qualified yes.

In its review, SIB made 38 recommendations for reform, covering
transparency of prices, warehouse stock control and governance.
SIB says the LME's supervisory structures, including personnel
and computers, have not kept pace with its growth. As Jane Lowe,
SIB's head of derivatives markets supervision, will say in a
speech today: "I personally see the review as a catalyst for
change at the LME, so that its regulatory role keeps pace with
its commercial evolution."

In response, the LME is increasing its staff from 40 to 50 and is
considering buying new computers. It will publish more trading
data, including - for the first time - information about large
positions held by LME clients, which could yield signs of
possible squeezes.

To counter complaints that it is too protective of its members,
the exchange has increased the number of board members from
outside the metals trade from two to four, including Kit Farrow,
a former senior Bank of England official. However, they are still
a small minority of the 18-member board.

Metals companies mostly welcome the changes, though they want
them implemented more urgently. "They're moving in the right
direction," says Jean-Pierre Rodier, chairman of Pechiney, the
French aluminium producer. "But, as we all know, change is a slow
process."

Concern remains about how vigorously the exchange will police its
markets. The board already has powers to punish members breaking
rules with fines, suspensions and even expulsions. After the
Sumitomo affair, Lord Bagri, the chairman, promised abusers he
would hang them high. But no offenders have been publicly
identified, let alone brought to book. David King, chairman of
the LME, says inquiries take time.

The LME is also vulnerable to charges that it suffers from a
fundamental conflict of interest. In the long run, its members
benefit from the exchange authorities' efforts to stamp out
manipulation. But in the short term, brokers who are fast enough
to take advantage of a squeeze can profit handsomely. The
exchange says it avoids conflicts of interest by delegating
market investigations from the member-dominated board to
committees made up of people with no interest in the metal under
investigation - including respected outsiders, among them a High
Court judge.

Mr King insists that the safeguards are effective. He says the
LME is a "professionals' market" where clients understand the
risks. There are no retail investors to protect. So the exchange
has not spent too much time in the past promoting its image in
the wider financial world. "Our primary audience is our
membership, the trade and industry," says Mr King.

But satisfying the interests of those most closely involved with
the LME is not be enough. If the exchange is to rid itself of
doubts about its practices, those practices must not only be
fair. They must be seen to be fair."

Vronsky note: Does the strange shroud of secrecy enveloping the
LME and LBMA someway link them... ?

Internet Commentary #35 -

Posted on the Internet October 10, 1997 by JTF

@LBME

Re- Aurator's comments 10/10/87 2:29 about the real LBME secret
lying inside the LME, which apparently works like a private,
unregulated club. Perhaps the distinction between CB activity and
private speculative activity is blurred -- if there are few rules
-- the activity of the central banks and private
investors/speculators may be indistinguishable. The only way one
can separate actions of one party or another would then only be
by what happens to the market.

I am in favor of having free markets, but I think there should be
some rules to prevent massive manipulation -- which in my opinion
is not conducive to a free market. Remember the Hunts and Silver
in 1980?

THE RED BARON

(October 13, 1997)

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THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 3
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 4
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 5

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To: Heretic who wrote (12107)5/24/1998 7:23:00 AM
From: ForYourEyesOnly  Respond to of 116823
 
Part VIII

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THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis

(The Onion PARADOX)

Part - 8

This writer will present the entire situation via a
chronicle of all the news publications about the subject,
providing dates sources and authors - where possible. Nearly
all available information was researched from Internet
sources. Most comments are verbatim from respective authors.
Occasionally, this writer added comments of clarification
and/or conclusions where the research leaves off.

Internet Commentary #46 -

Posted on the Internet October 18, 1997 by "ANOTHER"

THOUGHTS!

I ask you now: "Is it hard to believe or hard to understand"?
When it comes to money it's usually both. Know this: "gold
transcends human valuations thru time and life".

Take your time on this one!

Gold is now caught in a crossfire of world thought. The traders
are viewing it as a commodity and trying to make money on it's
moves using various paper trading vehicles. Their opinion of the
market is flawed because the "real value buyers" would never deal
with these people or let anyone in that circle know they are
buying gold as "money"! The major buying and selling is between
CBs, nations, merchant banks, "the super rich" and the hordes of
small buyers in forgotten places. That is one of the small many
reasons wall street hates gold, they are not part of the real
action. Comex is a side show!

Let me fill in the Xs.

First a reprint;
"You see the trading medium changed. Oil went from $30++ to $19 +
X amount of gold! Today it costs $19 + XXX amount of gold! "

If you owned a commodity in the ground that had to be sold for
paper currency in order to realize value what would do? Yes, the
oil in the ground may last another 50+ years but will the bonds
and currencies of other governments last that long? One thing you
don't do is buy gold outright, it would cause it to stop trading
as a commodity and start trading as money! You learned that in
the late 70s. Nor do you acquire "real gold money" in any fashion
that would allow a comparison of price trends (graphs)! There
must be a way to convert the true wealth of oil into the outright
wealth of gold. We know that oil is a consumed wealth of a
momentary value that is lost in the heat of fire. The stars blink
and it is oil wealth no more! It has become "the debt of nations"
now owed to you. Gold on the other hand is not a commodity as
many assume, as it is truly "the wealth of nations" meant to last
thru the ages! A wise oil nation can strike a deal with the paper
printers and in doing so come out on top. Go back a few years to
the early 90s. Oil is very high, you offer to lower the US$ price
in return for X amount of gold purchasing power. You don't care
what the current commodity price of gold is, your future
generations will keep it as real wealth to replace the oil that
is lost. Before the future arrives gold will be, once again
valued as money and can be truly counted on to appropriately
represent all oil wealth!

The Deal:
We (an oil state) now value gold in trade far higher than
currencies. We are willing to use gold as a partial payment for
the future use of "all oil" & value it at $1,000 US. (only a
small amount of oil is in this deal)

And take a very small amount of gold out of circulation each
month using it's present commodity price. If the world price can
be maintained in the $300s it would be a small price for the west
to pay for cheap oil and monetary stability.

The battle is now between CBs trying to keep gold in the $300s
and the "others" buying it up. In effect the governments are
selling gold in any form to "KEEP IT" being used as "REAL MONEY"
in oil deals! Some people know this, that is why they aren't
trading it, they are buying it.

Not all oil producers can take advantage of this deal as it is
done "where no one can see". And, they know not what has happened
for gold does not change in price! But I tell you, gold has been
moved and it's price has changed in terms of oil! For the monthly
amount to be taken off the market has changed from $10 in gold
(valued at $1,000) /per barrel to the current $30 in gold /per
barrel still valued at $1,000!

Much of this gold was in the form of deals in London to launder
it's movement. Because of some Asians, these deals are no longer
being rolled over as paper!

What is happening now is far, far larger than the interest of a
few traders or mining companies. They will be stepped on!

more on US$ and T-bills.

Internet Commentary #47 -

Posted on the Internet October 18, 1997 by "Cmax"

WOW! Talk about "ask and ye shall recieve".........that was fast.
As usual, you have completly blown me off my chair, and my eyes
out of my head. (If you could see it, you would think it is quite
comical.
Thank you.

You, Mr., have answered one of my oldest questions, in that WHY
would the Arabs be so short-sighted as to sell all their
re-valued oil (after the OPEC oil crisis) and deposit all that
money it into Western banks, only for the same bankers to reloan
it out to sooooo freely as they did to developing countries (as
local economy could not absorb such huge quantities/inflation
etc), not ever to be returned. This circle just did not make any
sense. Their oil is very finite, and I always though that their
new found wealth would escape them as easily as they discovered
it. (as per axiom: a fool and his money are soon parted ) Now if
they have been trading oil for cash plus an amount equivalent to
their "net profit" in gold, now THAT does make sense. These
intricate workings, which can now be seen in hindsight, are
interesting indeed!

Never doubt Arab wisdom.

Now the Asians were the kings of paper money and it's
consequences 5,000 years ago, they know very well what the final
outcome of this fraud will be; and they do not fall into
westerners mindless mindtraps so easily. They Oriental is an
excellent student of history, the average Westerner doesnt even
know the mechanics of the second world war (particularly
Americans). If as you imply, that they have caught on to what is
happening in this shell game, THEY have forced paper's hand,
which has forced the Arab's hand, which MUST now force the CB's
hand to either put up, or shut up ( expose and sell their REAL
physical supply).

My oh my oh my.

Please continue....

Internet Commentary #48 -

Posted on the Internet October 18, 1997 by "Cmax"

ANOTHER: Your posts have answered my questions to that first LBMA
announcement back in January, and my subsequent posts..... and no
one really paid attention then. (except Vronsky)

Internet Commentary #49 -

Posted on the Internet October 19, 1997 by "JTF"

I find ANOTHER's post more puzzling than any previous one. Are we
expected to believe that gold is actually being traded at
$1000/oz rather than the current approx $324/oz for gold? If one
repeats the calculation of how much gold would needs to be sold
to subsidize that $10 per barrel of oil to keep oil at approx
$20/barrel, but now gold is sold at $1000/oz, then this would
reduce the amount of gold needed by nearly 1/3. What does not
make sense is that if this is so, why not just state that one is
reducing the price of oil by $3, and not $10? Are we to believe
that the price of oil is say actually $27/oz, but we are only
paying $20/oz?

This most recent post makes no sense to me. Do you really believe
this, Cmax?

Internet Commentary #50 -

Posted on the Internet October 19, 1997 by "JTF"

@LBMA

All: Is there anyone out there? Aurator? the Nicks? anyone?
Unless I am missing something, we will have to find other sources
of information than ANOTHER to unravel the mystery of the LBMA.
We have the essentials anyway from the annals of history: Gold is
sold by the central banks of countries who are inflating their
currencies to the CB's of countries who are not inflating their
currencies. The question of the role of the LBMA in all of this
is that complex derivatives trading of some kind could give the
illusion that a particular currency such as the dollar is
stronger than it really is -- for a period of time. But
eventually, those countries who are supporting the dollar would
eventually be forced to sell their gold reserves. So the eventual
outcome is the same. As gold investors, all of the mystery about
this is really not that important to us. All we need to know is
when the current charade ends. Technical analysis is sufficient
for this if other usefulinformation is not forthcoming.

Internet Commentary #51 -

Posted on the Internet October 19, 1997 by "Donald"

JTF, CMAX: I just did some quick calculations using random dates
and that coincide with oil crisis periods in recent history and
non-crisis dates.

These are prices of oil per barrel, expressed in ounces of gold.
1929 = .005, Sept. 1973 = .029, Oct., 1973 = .051, Jan. 1974 =
.090, 1980 = .059, Today = .055.

Sept. 1973 is non-crisis time, October, 1973 was the Yom Kippur
War, January, 1974, was the Second Oil Shock, 1980 was the gold
peak.

Oil prices I used per barrel are 1929 10c, 9/73 $3.00, 10/73
$5.11, 1/74 $11.65, 1980 $40.00

Gold prices were from the Kitco London fix tables.

Internet Commentary #52 -

Posted on the Internet October 19, 1997 by "ANOTHER"

THOUGHTS!

There is only one oil state that counts! ONLY one! They have made
it very clear how important gold is to them. If they had started
buying outright, gold would have gone to $5,000+ in days. And
only a very few million ozs. would have been purchased! The
message has been for some years, "we will accumulate thru the
back door, using paper deals if you keep the price at or below
the cost of production". Do this and oil will remain THE driving
force of the world economy! FAIL THIS AND WE WILL PRICE GOLD IN
DOLLARS AT THE TRUE VALUE OF OIL TO THE WORLD!

You see, gold is not a commodity. The CBs have used every weapon
to keep it's price low . Understand me, Gold is now, today, a
devalued currency being used in world trade! Do you think the CBs
are selling gold to keep the dollar strong? They don't have to
sell to accomplish that feat! CB gold ( one billion ozs.? )
valued at it's current commodity price is only worth 300 billion,
it's nothing in that price range! They know what it's US$ price
is worth in terms of oil! They are not stupid as they show.

You should not think they are dumb! Invest in gold mines, will
you? Notice how quick the Australian CB hinted at taking "gold in
the ground" if needed. This was said after their sale! The nature
of the coming crisis will make the taking of investor property a
piece of cake. You see, because gold is a commodity, you will be
compensated at the commodity price of return + a fair profit, of
course.

How much further can they take this? The world private stockpiles
that could be sold have been. The CBs are heavy into their own
stuff now and are over their heads if they had to make good on
all the private deals ( read my other posts ) . The economic game
is ending now and has been from the start of 1997! Watch closely
as the world currencies and markets fall one by one. Watch in
absolute wonder as the demand for oil plunges and it's price goes
thru the roof. Yes, oil stocks will crash with the markets. And
gold? You will never know it's price. It will stop all trading as
it slices thru $10,000+.

Who am I? As I will not be around for long so I am noone. But ,
follow with me as all of this takes place in your time!

Internet Commentary #53 -

Posted on the Internet October 19, 1997 by "ANOTHER"

THOUGHTS!

If you are searching for facts you will find them, but the items
you find will not be true! Did you think that the high powered
world of the LBMA would operate in a fishbowl for all to see? We
cannot take what is on the outside as evidence for what is on the
inside. To find the answer work with inside assumptions and
extrapolate them to the outside!

Think now:
Would the world CBs really have kept gold this long if they only
valued it at it's ongoing commodity price? Cannot only the offer
of gold have some value in a deal? Can paper gold that has a
commodity face value of, say $300 be traded for it's true value
of many thousands? Indeed, if your worldly investments (US stock
market?) are valued in the long run by a full supply of oil,
would not future gold in a Swiss acct. make a good trade?

Do the oil states think our military is there to protect them or
protect oil?

Fact: If the world bids up the price of gold, all deals will be
off! It would be every nation for themselves.Oil would explode in
price!

Internet Commentary #54 -

Posted on the Internet October 19, 1997 by George S. Cole

CB selling

Another: Your argument that the CBs are striving mightily to keep
gold down but will not be able to do so much longer makes sense.
But I find your gold/oil pricing argument hard to believe. Seems
to me that gold will follow oil higher, not visa versa. My
understanding is that the Saudis have much more invested in
global financial markets than they do in gold bullion, even if
the latter is valued at $1,000 per ounce. Still think the primary
motive for CB sales and leasing is to support the global
financial bubble, or at least to prevent its too rapid deflation.

BTW, would be interested in you opinion of the argument made by
some here that there has been heavy gold selling of late from one
or more European CBs, and the price will collapse as soon as this
is made public.

Internet Commentary #55 -

Posted on the Internet October 19, 1997 by "Jack"

The opening line "Their is only one oil state that counts, only
one", seems to indicate that he refers to Saudi Arabia who I
understand produces about 8 million barrels per day (If my figure
is correct it would total about 2.88 billion barrels annually
over 360 days). From there one would have to use a gold premium
of $X or $XXX, whatever that means. If I use X = XXX = $10 per
barrel and gold at $326, it works out to about 88.34 million
ounces.

Problem is that the world leaders have created an ENIGMA in the
numbers, and we can only search for them.

Internet Commentary #56 -

Posted on the Internet October 19, 1997 by "ANOTHER"

THOUGHTS!

Where are my THOUGHTS leading?

Yes, Mr. Cole you are correct. The Central Banks have known for
quite some time the true value of gold in today's paper world. In
a very real sense they are on our side. Let's take their side if
you will. They are not dumb or stupid, in fact many of them are
the best of the best! You see, the world grew up and ran away
from them, totally out of control. It has left in it's wake a
money system of colossal debt and political mismanagement.

They know it is over.
We are all at a giant poker table and the CBs act as the dealer.
One day soon the game will end and the players will try to cash
in the chips. In that day the dealer will act in our own best
interest. They will not pay out gold for the chips. The money
system will start over, from scratch.

Also:
It is easy to know that gold could not have been traded for all
oil sold. This was never the intent. They only wanted to pull a
small amount out of circulation on a regular basis. Using a small
amount of oil as a partial trading vehicle gold could be
purchased in an all paper deal to hide it's price. As I said
before, if they walked up to the plate and started buying
outright it would run the price. It is working. They only need
200 million ozs. When the system breaks that gold would be worth
all the oil in Arabia and then some. The Asians are the problem,
by buying up bullion worldwide and thru South Africa they created
a default situation on all the paper for the oil/gold trade! Now
the CBs are selling in the open to calm nerves but it's known
that they will never sell enough. It was never their intent to
provide the gold, only the backing until new mining technology
could increase production. Over time the forward sales, such as
ABX's should have worked. But LBMA went nuts with the game and
the whole mess has now accelerated.

THE RED BARON

(October 26, 1997)

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THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 6
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To: Heretic who wrote (12107)5/24/1998 7:25:00 AM
From: ForYourEyesOnly  Respond to of 116823
 
LBMA Part IX

THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis

(The Onion PARADOX)

Part - 9

This writer will present the entire situation via a
chronicle of all the news publications about the subject,
providing dates sources and authors - where possible. Nearly
all available information was researched from Internet
sources. Most comments are verbatim from respective authors.
Occasionally, this writer added comments of clarification
and/or conclusions where the research leaves off.

Internet Commentary #57 -

Posted on the Internet October 20, 1997 by "Nick/Canberra"

G'day all. Have just reviewed the days postings. They range from
erudite to asinine. I shall comment on the former and hope the
latter have crawled back into their holes.

ANOTHER says "The battle is between CB's trying to keep gold in
the 300's and the "others" buying it up. In effect the
governments are selling gold in an effort to "KEEP IT" being used
as "REAL MONEY" in oil deals! Some people know this, that is why
they arn't trading it..they are buying it."

The only reason I can think of for a nation to want to cheapen an
asset they have lots of (gold) is to protect the price of
something far more important to them (oil). Otherwise it makes no
sense. There may be something to ANOTHER'S assertions that gold
is being "used" to contain the price of oil and therefore the
status quo. IMHO the imbalance of any "contained" market will
only cause an even bigger correction once the breaking point is
reached. As an analogy consider the stresses that build up on a
major fault (such as San Andreas) before an earthquake. The
greater the movement of the two plates without relief in the form
of an earthquake -- the greater the eventual earthquake. We are
now under a considerable degree of stress in the markets--we have
been too long without much more than minor tremors. The big quake
is getting nearer.

Internet Commentary #58 -

Posted on the Internet October 20, 1997 by "JTF"

@ Dollars, Oil and Gold again!!

Vronsky: I like your fictitious "Covert Cost of Gold" posting. If
there were such a meeting with the oil producers, and the western
world, a mutual agreement that benefits both sides might well
have been made. This clearly states what each side might want.
Part of the Middle Eastern concern could very well have been fear
of a repeat to the 1987 crash, and the loss of much of their
dollar investments. There are still some unclear items for our
LBMA Sherlock to investigate:

How could only 1/4 of the world's oil producers (in volume)
control the oil supply that effectively? Were non-middle eastern
oil producers unable (unaware?) to benefit from the low gold
prices? Another scenario (no pun intended) is that the Western
world (since 1970's oil crisis) encouraged development of
non-middle eastern oil sources, and pushed up the price of the
dollar (with gold "sales", as well as real gold sales) so that
the price of oil would remain at the $20/barrel or so price -- to
keep the biggest inflationary threat to the western world at bay.
The oil producers would benefit from the strong dollar,and would
be less likely to sell it for gold. This would be an overriding
goal of the powers that be (Central Banks), as they would
remember the 70's oil crisis very well, regardless of the needs
of the oil producing states. In both scenarios, proffessionals at
the LBMA and elsewhere got wise, and pushed the price of gold
down even more so they (ie Big Trader, etal) could buy the gold
at a fire sale, thus beating the CB's at their own game. One
wonders also that if Alan Greenspan is serious about a returning
to the gold standard, the machinery for this mught well have been
tested in either of these above scenarios. Your story is more
colorful than mine, however.

Internet Commentary #59 -

Posted on the Internet October 21, 1997 by "jakljaf"

Anyone can post anything here alot of it dubious. However, the
gigantic volume at the LBMA gives me pause when reading Another's
posts. People do NOT engage in transactions, which have costs,
for no reason.

So why is there the LBMA vol? Another has an intesting idea.

Internet Commentary #60 -

Posted on the Internet October 21, 1997 by "tolernant1"

From the latest Onion peelings, "Gold is the only money the world
has ever known." Sounds like a simple thought but it isn't.

"Money is whatever people say it is" Not True! Currency is
whatever a government says it is "True!"

There are nine more words in the quote, I stopped it where I did
for this exercise.

Gold is the only money the world has ever known.

I agree, it is simple. End of story.

"Currency is whatever a government says it is" True!

Not true, I disagree! Not in the Union of States known as the
United States! In our constitution, (Article 1, Sec 8), we gave
Congress authority "to coin money".

End of story, everything else that has been done is a direct
alteration of the Constitution. Plain and simple.

There was never a submitted proposal to amend the Consitution
wherein the people agreed to "paper" money instead of gold and
silver.

Please excuse the strident tone. I have alot of respect for the
opinion peelers and the others discussing the LBMA dealings.

But, we the people never agreed to paper and we never agreed to
give up the only real money the world has ever known, gold and
silver.

"Currency is whatever a government says it is" The only reason
this statement can be made is due to the fact that we the people
have not demanded our Constitutional rights be enforced.

The quote goes something like, "the only way evil can succeed is
if good men do nothing."

Internet Commentary #61 -

Posted on the Internet October 21, 1997 by "ZARDOZ"

Gold/Oil/SHEIK Abu Bekr/LBMA

...The recent article "Covert Gold Cost of Oil" by Sheik Abu Bekr
raises some interesting points about gold and oil.

First, if the article is correct that the Saudis and other Arab
nations have been receiving gold bullion as payment (as well as
military hardware) for oil and for favours rendered in keeping
the price of gold from rising (in spite of projection production
peaks as early as 1999) then where can we look for evidence of
gold showing up in the official statistics for the Middle East.
Does the World Gold Council statistics provide such evidence that
shows an increasing or constant flow of gold into the Middle-East
coffers since 1987? Evidence might resolve on of the most nagging
questions: where is the gold being sold by CBs going? Perhaps we
have found the missing piece of the puzzle.

Second, if true, the US would have a particular interest in
coordinating the funnelling of gold bullion into the Middle East
in order to constrain the price of oil from rising to $40/barrel
as it should be given the demand/supply situation in crude oil
and maximization of Middle Eastern utilization capacities. The US
wants to maintain the illusion that oil is not becoming
increasingly scarce in order to avoid price inflation at home
thus exploding the market bubble.....they want to avoid a 1973-74
crisis at all cost. Stability in oil prices may have come through
past transactions of US treasuries to the Middle East in exchange
for "price stability favours" but the Arabs increasingly have
requested the real store of value: bullion. Thus the Americans
may be actually orchestrating the gold sales of other CBs in the
interests of "global oil price stability" objectives convincing
the Australians and lesser players to sell their gold for the
short term objective of containing a price rise in oil that the
Saudis are under increasing pressure at home (Islamic pressures)
to let go (as the Sheik suggests) .. Note that "officially" the
major gold holders, the US, Switzerland, Germany and France (and
most certainly England) have hung on to their CB supplies while
other lesser players have been "convinced" to sell under the ruse
that "gold no longer plays the hedge or security roll it once
did."

Third, the LBMA is most certainly a critical player brokering the
exchange of gold for oil trading (the Red Baron's plethora of
LBMA exposes points to this reality). Recent revelations of daily
volumes of 30 million ounces of gold trading daily at the LBMA in
London (twice South Africa's annual gold production) may point to
the increasing pressure on appeasing the Saudis (and other Arab
nations) with gold to keep oil prices in check. The Rothschilds
and other merchant banking players with an interest in gold
(probably the Morgan Stanley group as well) are also involved in
these daily deals. Indeed, a line is most certainly drawn between
Washington/New York, London, South Africa and the Middle East
(not necessarily in that order).

Fourth, based on superb analysis by Deutsche Morgan Grenfell on
the relative purchasing power of the US dollar in terms of gold
is worth analyzing in the context of the gold to oil price ratio.
If the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar in terms of gold
bullion has declined to a ratio of less than 0.100 in 1997
compared to gold's purchasing power of 2.000 then this suggests
that the US dollar is grossly overvalued in terms of scarce
resource (gold), that gold is grossly undervalued as may be oil.

Fifth, the ultimate irony is that the laws of demand and supply
on scarce commodities like oil and gold have been "nakedized" or
"nullified" by an illusion that has elevated an infinitely
plentiful fiat currency ( the US dollar ) to mythical
proportions. It is in this kind of world in which we transact in
the so-called "market."

Internet Commentary #62 -

Posted on the Internet October 21, 1997 by "JTF"

@Oil,gold and US dollars

Zardoz: Saw your 16:52 post today. Please take a look at my post
10/20/97 23:31. My take on all of the LBMA and Middle East
oil/gold business is that the overriding force behind what may
(underline may) be happening is a desire of the "powers that be"
to keep world oil prices constant, until new sources of oil have
been developed. This includes the Rothschilds,etc, who would want
stability. Please note that I have no proof for anything on this
post -- but I'm hoping that we can at least unravel some of the
dynamics for all of our benefit.

Consider the commotion during the 1970's oil crisis. If oil
prices were allowed to rise rapidly now as they did in the 70's,
we would have a world-wide recession (at the least). Since oil is
priced in dollars, a good way to keep the status quo is to
strengthen the dollar when oil prices go up. Given the world-wide
situation with the dollar being the defacto world's currency, the
world's central banks might very well be unanimous on the need to
keep the price of oil (in dollars) constant. In the past, a
country that wanted to support its currency sold gold. Now with
derivatives, and the LBMA, new methods are available. I think the
basic idea - though no one at Kitco has shown exactly how - was
that the Central Banks temporarily "sold" gold in some manner,
pushing up the dollar, thus reducing the price of oil. The side
benefit of this was that the price of gold went down, but the
Central Banks did not have to report gold sales. Now with gold
cheaper, and the dollar stronger, oil producers, (or anyone, not
just Middle East producers) could feel comfortable holding
dollars, or buy cheap gold. When news of this manipulation got
out, others stepped in and pushed the price of gold down even
more, before the new oil suplies were ready, and started to buy
up all the available non-Central Bank gold, forcing the Central
banks to sell real gold to maintain the status quo.

All of this is may be linked to the current Central Bank gold
sales, ostensibly for fixing balance sheets for entry into the
ECU/EMU. What better way to keep the gold market under control,
than to have the Central Banks sell gold? It is not how much they
sell, but the mere psychological fact that they "do not consider
it worth keeping". If you look at historical cycles of Central
Bank gold sales, you will see that this sort of thing has
happened several times. Thus what I am saying is that we really
do not have a conspiracy, but rather that the interests of the
Central Banks and the Middle East oil producers have coincided,
and that a "wild card" was introduced when others started to buy
up all the cheap gold. I think we are approaching the end of the
current "cheap gold" phase of the cycle between "hard" and
"paper" assets.

I hope this post is helpful -- the US dollar is strong for the
same reason we have a stock market bull -- faith. I have not seen
the Deutsche Morgan Grenfell study of the purchasing power of the
dollar, and am very interested in seeing it. My analysis is also
that the dollar is overvalued, just based on a careful review of
the US CPI for the last 100 years. My very conservative estimate
is that gold should be approximately $600/oz. This value might be
much higher if one includes all of the dollars that are currently
outside the USA, used as reserves to support other currencies,
and the recent rapid growth of M3.

Internet Commentary #63 -

Posted on the Internet October 21, 1997 by "HighRise"

Oil sold @$20 Gold bought @$323?

Japan CB sold Gold last week. Why would they sell Gold when they
have so little, unless it is to maintain the price and get
something that they also have so little of-OIL This is worth a
repost.

Date: Tue Oct 21 1997 08:27 vronsky (THE COVERT GOLD COST OF OIL
by Sheik Abu Bekr al-Rashid)

This study gives material support to "ANOTHERs" hypothesis that
there is a definite relationship between stable oil prices and
gold's dwindling value in past years - the LBMA mystery
continues, albeit another onion-layer of subterfuge peeled back:
gold-eagle.com

Internet Commentary #64-

Posted on the Internet October 21, 1997 by "Qester"

It should be pointed out that the price of oil as with all
commodities will be valued at a price equal to or less than a
competing alternative . More specifically the oil price will
always be capped by the price to produce synfuel. Today we have
the ability to replace oil with synfuel manufactured from our 400
year coal reserves at a price equivalent to $40 to $45 per barrel
If "Another" is correct then our leaders have reached the level
of total incompetence. The US should have (and it still can) put
its resources toward developing our synfuel capacity. The
benefits for our society would be no military presence in the
middle east and a more value for our dollar. Why do we elect
those amongst us who have the least ability to truthfully and
creatively problem solve our needs?

Internet Commentary #65-

Posted on the Internet October 21, 1997 by "GOLDEN CHEESEHEAD"

@GETTING CLOSE TO THE TRUTH

HERR JTF! Must say your 19:04 on oil, gold and the US dollar is
as good an explanation of ANOTHER'S spin as we are likely to get!
I fail to see any real major flaws in your reasoning! I believe
you're getting VERY CLOSE to the truth about the crucial
relationship between these THREE IMPORTANT COMMODITIES to the
stability of the world trading system! It's posts like yours that
keep me coming back for more! A tip of the Golden Cheesehat to
you!

Internet Commentary #66-

Posted on the Internet October 21, 1997 by "Jack"

Going back to the late 80's

There were many stories about OPEC wanting means other than the
US $ to pay for its oil. Talk concerned the D Mark in particular.
ANOTHER makes sense to me. Who really wants a paper promise
connected to a depleting "real" resource like oil?

Resource rich countries like Canada and Austrialia should take
note and protect their depleting resources against this paper
pollution.

Is it possible that the strong currency weak currency charade
(the temporary shifting of economic power bases) that has been
going on for years is tied to the X value in the gold for oil
equation that ANOTHER refers to.

THE RED BARON

(November 3, 1997)

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THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 2
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 3
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 4
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 5
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 6
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 7
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 8

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To: Heretic who wrote (12107)5/24/1998 7:25:00 AM
From: ForYourEyesOnly  Respond to of 116823
 
LBMA Part X

THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis

(The Onion PARADOX)

Part - 10

This writer will present the entire situation via a
chronicle of all the news publications about the subject,
providing dates sources and authors - where possible. Nearly
all available information was researched from Internet
sources. Most comments are verbatim from respective authors.
Occasionally, this writer added comments of clarification
and/or conclusions where the research leaves off.

Internet Commentary #67 -

Posted on the Internet October 22, 1997 by "ZARDOZ"

Oil, Gold and US dollar -

JTF re: your post of Oct. 21@19:04...I think we are getting
closer to understanding what at first seemed like a riddle
wrapped in an enigma. I agree that the word "conspiracy" is not
necessarily the correct word to describe the relationship which
as the Sheik has described has been nurtured between the
Americans and Middle East respecting oil and gold. As you
correctly point out is the inability for us, despite our healthy
intuition, to point to any evidence which supports our theory
that the Central Banks have in fact "sold" or transacted gold for
oil. We may never have such information nor do "official"
statistics reveal such truths. This is unfortunate. My concern is
that we lack confidence in any of the so-called "official" gold
statistics produced by the World Gold Council and can even
question those of the more respectable Gold Field Mineral
Services in London.

Our challenge is to attempt to reveal the connection between
gold, oil and the US dollar with the little statistical evidence
at our disposal. As you suggest, no one on Kitco or Gold Eagle
has done this to date...

Nevertheless, even without such analysis, if we (you, I and other
astute analysts on Kitco) are correct in our intuition, we can
then benefit from positioning our megre portfolios to take
advantage over the "cat being let out of the bag" revelations on
the LBMA.

No matter how you slice this issue there is little question that
enormous pressure has been built up on both gold and oil prices
to rise and rise in a very significant way. The interests of the
powerful oligarchy is of course to maintain the illusion of
stability knowing full well the vulnerability of the present
system to "inflation" on both scare commodities of gold and oil.

Internet Commentary #68 -

Posted on the Internet October 22, 1997 by "Eldorado"

@the scene

Golden Cheesehead -- Got your 'foxhole' dug? If not, you better
get real busy doing so, 'cause the Tsunami ain't gonna wait on
nobody to move before it comes ashore! And, it WILL be BIG! Food,
clothing, housing, healthcare, transportation, work, ----
everything being affected drastically. Kind of like a hurricane
coming through your area, but the problems lasting very, very
much longer, and the impact of it being world wide! Who's left
outside of it to help pick up the pieces? Just the Jack-Boots of
the world?

As to the question of the LMBA, oil for gold, etc., I find the
question becoming rather irrelevant in the sense that in the end,
it just doesn't matter; An exercise in futility. The crap hits
the fan anyway and if one isn't prepared, then one can say that
you got crapped upon. You know the Tsunami is on its way. Do you
really stand on the beach, scratch your beard, and ask what
caused it? I'd rather think that there would be more 'important'
things to be doing at that time, like MOVING your butt along, and
quickly! We are at the point in time of 'shooting first and
asking the what and why' later. A month or a year too early beats
the H__L out of being one day too late! Besides, if you get the
job done early, perhaps you'll have a 'bit' more time to stand on
the beach scratching your beard and pondering the imponderables,
if you even then care.

Internet Commentary #69 -

Posted on the Internet October 25, 1997 by "ANOTHER"

THOUGHTS!

Why do the Swiss want to sell gold over many years when they
could sell the entire lot in a week? Yes, the worldwide trading
volume in gold could take the whole load and not drop the price
below Fridays close! The reason for the "many long term selling
announcements" is to keep the price down over time. The CBs would
have you think that their selling would "crush the price"! The
real effect would be exactly the opposite. The major world buyers
would line up at the door to buy "the last sale of the century!
Have you heard any CBs putting out "Proposals to Sell" for their
entire stock of gold? Of course not, the response to buy would
give off the absolute wrong signal and cause a revaluation of
gold.

It is a far better use of a public asset when they use a small
anount of it over time to ensure a reasonable price for OIL! If
all gold was sold quickly, there would be no trading medium for
deals! How far do you think an IOU would go if it didn't have
gold in the background worth perhaps a 1,000 times it's current
commodity price?

So what good is this information to the small investor? Not much
if you run out and buy gold options, gold stocks, gold futures,
etc.! Did you think the following quotes were good for those
assets:

"That is why some "Big Traders" are holding ONLY gold as events
unfold."

" One last note: No form of paper wealth will survive the
financial crush once the CBs stop selling! NOTHING! "

"The market is changing now,,, it will go up but you will not be
happy with the outcome."

"What is happening now is far, far larger than the interest of a
few traders or mining companies. They will be stepped on!"

Gold bullion is being accumulated and cornered on a worldwide
scale not seen before! UNDERSTAND THIS: The people who are buying
do not expect the price to rise until the CBs slow their selling.
They do expect the value of gold to increase in the future even
as the banks sell into a rising market. This will happen as the
sheer volume of trading completely overwhelms the entire
worldwide market! The big buyers fully well expect gold to stop
all trading as the governments enact DRACONIAN MEASURES to deal
with a worldwide currency problem. The public in general will ask
for these measures and to that effect, all paper connected to
bullion will become "fair game"!

My projections and -----: The gold market is not the same as it
was in the past, so throw your charts and TA away! Nor will the
gold market be the same in the future as it is today, so don't
use paper substitutes! Today, gold is much more valuable than it
has ever been! During your time a straight forward investment in
"bullion only ' will far surpass any other asset you could hold!

Internet Commentary #70 -

Posted on the Internet October 25, 1997 by "Pedro"

Reflecting on Another's latest It seems to me that any conspiracy
concerning Gold is aimed at officially re-instating it as the
international currency for World trade purposes (Read Oracle @
gold-eagle.com ) And a certain"co-operation" between
major Government and financial players is necessary to lay the
groundwork (accumulation of Gold) to achieve this aim. The
purpose is to relieve the problems caused by having an individual
currency as the facilitator for International Trade. (i.e whats
good for the US$ at home often conflicts with its international
reserve asset function). This conspiracy theory also helps
explain the apparent contradiction of trumpeting CB Gold sales
beforehand. Unless of course it is a psychological ploy to aid
the short sellers for their "co-operation" to achieve lower
prices for the unnamed buyers of those CB sales. This theory
might also help explain Another"s warning about "not liking the
final outcome "of this exercise because all currencies will
eventually be related to the international trading unit Gold but
their creation and management will continue in much the same
manner as they are now, aided by the electronic factor. Gold,
therefore, will disappear into the underground Vaults that it
usually inhabits when not being used for jewelry or industrial
purposes. I am certainly no expert in this highly complex area as
the above comments may reveal but I offer these thots especially
in the light of Gold's most recent disquieting performance.

Internet Commentary #71 -

Posted on the Internet October 25, 1997 by "ZARDOZ"

Thoughts..Single World Currency -

ANOTHER, Vronsky, Pedro: Welcome back ANOTHER...your timing is
perfect! Vronsky's reference to Oracle of Alberta's hypothesis
about colluding powers orchestrating the demise of the multiple
fiat currencies and yet elimination of the only alternative store
of value, gold, is worth considerable debate on Kitco.
Yesterday's events are stunning but I would suggest not
surprising if the Oracle's hypothesis is correct. This is a
confidence game...pure illusion...the Swiss haven't even sold
gold but SOMEONE is intentionally manufacturing a depressed
sentiment. As the Oracle asks: "who and to what end?". The
question of who is buying the gold remains unanswered and perhaps
we will never know. The Chinese (in a patient game to out last
the Americans)?; the Rothschilds ( N.M. Rothschilds through the
LBMA ) and other colluding merchant banking interests (the
offspring of the J.P. Morgan dynasty, the Rockefellers) working
under the fraternity of the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR)
and the Tri-Lateral Commission towards the goal of global union
(with key pieces of the puzzle now being put in place, the MAI,
Free Trade Agreements, the Euro, etc.) and ultimately not the
former code word "One World Order" (Novus Ordum Seclorum...which
appears on the US $1 bill) but rather a new code word: Global
Union.

We must not forget that if such oligarchies of power exist (carry
overs of the powerful dynasties of the 19th and early 20th
century) they can and will play a very patient game towards a
most worthy goal: global union. Moreover, they are smart enough
and experienced enough to know that secrecy is their greatest
weapon and thus they will never be revealed in the main stream
press or media. One only need examine the history of the
Rothschild family to understand that maintaining such secrecy is
the key to the longevity of wealth and power.

Such an objective for a global union must require a level playing
field and the illusion that all men (and women) must become one
family (homogenous) ...the Tower of Babel if you like. On the
surface a move to a homogenous global "system" of currency,
trade, language and even religon seems attractive, almost
utopian. But is it? Is not the irony that heterogenity (i.e. our
differences) which is ultimately our strength and creates
resiliency. One has to seriously contemplate why the world has
been stampeded into free trade agreements, agreements on
multilateral investment, single common currencies, when
intuitively we know that our local economies and societies will
and are ultimately suffering. The tragedy is that when such a
union is constructed, you and I will be beholden to the powers
which control and "manage" those global systems.

I am in agreement with ANOTHER that what I believe we saw
yesterday with Gold is a deliberate next step towards a worldwide
confidence game (if ever one studies game theory one can envision
what is being planned by viewing each progressive chess move)
...ultimately the game requires not only the collapse of the fiat
currency system but also the collapse in confidence in gold (the
only alternative store of value). Having cornered the supply of
gold, those powers colluding towards the goals of global union
will as ANOTHER suggests have corned most of supply of gold as to
render it "worthless"....as a King of old might have collected
all the gold (as they did in Germany in the great inflation) and
thus rendered its value worthless and issued instead an
alternative currency. The Oracle of Alberta and ANOTHER might be
correct that with the orchestrated demise of both fiat currencies
and destroyed confidence in gold (and a capture of majority
supply holdings from CBs from all countries, excepting perhaps
the US) that from the ensuing chaos, the PUBLIC will ask for
extreme measures, a new currency, a new system...and low and
behold, it shall be given on to them by the very powers who
orchestrated the illusion.

My hypothesis is this for goldbugs and in response to ANOTHER's
suggestion that bullion will be the preferred asset: neither
stocks nor bullion will be of any use with the chaos that will
ensue. I believe that neither stocks, options, or gold bullion
will be worth anything should the markets and fiat currencies
collapse. There may be a small window in which gold bullion
prices soar, but if the powers to be render a market in gold
bullion "valueless" as they have done in the US before (under
Roosevelt, I believe ) then gold will simply be a black market
commodity... those who have gold will be asked to turn it in (as
they were asked in Germany and in the US) in exchange for another
worthless form of a new global currency.

I leave you with these draconian thoughts....but are they
preposterous?

Internet Commentary #72 -

Posted on the Internet October 25, 1997 by "JTF"

ANOTHER: Saw your post today -- I think there is a slighly
different way to describe Swiss gold sales. The Swiss probably do
have too much gold to support their currency - one of the
strongest in the world. They are also very conservative, and
treat gold the same way the Rothschild's do or Big Trader, et al.
I submit that they will slowly sell some of their gold over the
next ten or twenty years (if the public referendum passes). This
way they will get the best price. No matter how you look at it
there is a connection between the dollar, gold and oil, and
recent charts show this. You are right that the gold paradigm has
changed, and older historical gold charts are worthless to
predict any future trends. The gold indicator of the "flight to
safety" is being suppressed. I invite you to explain to us how
gold (or its paper equivalent, or gold stocks) will fail to go up
in value. I grant you that we may have a paper crisis -- the
worldwide derivatives markets are trading at 60Trillion annually
and doubling every two years. Kondratiev wave cycles cannot be
ignored! Why don't you clarify your thoughts to us about the
coming currency crisis? Is the ECU coming to the rescue, or do
you agree with George Soros?

Internet Commentary #73 -

Posted on the Internet October 25, 1997 by "ZARDOZ"

A SINGLE WORLD CURRENCY...?

Are the dramatic market upheavals WORLDWIDE in recent weeks
trying to tell us something that is NOT YET apparent?

The once mighty Tiger stock markets of Asia have seen securities
prices plummet -- on Thursday Hong Kong's Hang Seng Stock Market
Average losing more than 10% in ONE TRADING SESSION! The Nikkei
penetrated the psychologically important 17000 level -
purportedly the sacrosanct value where the Japanese banking
system begins to come apart at the seams. Many South Sea
currencies lambasted, and financial institutions beginning to
crumble. And this last week the selling panic spilled over into
Wall Street, which is dragging down most European stock indices.

For some time prior to this gold has inexorably been wasting
away... that is until yesterday when it suffered a coup d'grace -
diving more than $16 in a single day for a loss of 5%. It is
painfully obvious a draconian change is taking place... but what
is the prime motive force... and its purpose?

I cannot discard the helpless feeling something is going on that
is not readily apparent... at least not to me. Last night in
shifting through all the world's debris in search of some rhyme
or reason for the cause of these dramatic market moves worldwide
I reread the June report, "SEVEN GOLDEN THREADS OF THE GLOBAL
QUILT" by the Oracle of Alberta - in which he alludes to the
possibility of A SINGLE WORLD CURRENCY.

A Single World Currency? To contemplate such a scenario of power
and control seems almost preposterous. But is it? Consider for a
moment the events that would usher in a single world currency in
an electronic medium. These might include: financial and stock
market chaos; the collapse of the U.S. dollar, Yen or the
stillbirth of the Euro; war in the Middle East; a worldwide
banking crisis; or other global unrest.

Is the worldwide financial paradigm changing as we speak? Are
global market forces reacting simply to imbalances, or is there a
specific force orchestrating the financial and monetary
machinations... and if the latter, what is their game-plan and
purpose?

THE RED BARON

(November 10, 1997)

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