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To: Street Walker who wrote (791)	5/24/1998 9:48:00 AM
From: Zeuspaul	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14778

A vote for Winproxy From John's Closet click on share a modem digitalmx.com >>And here's a contribution from William J. Price, a gentleman who clearly knows what he likes, and WinGate isn't it! FYI I have used both Wingate (for two years) & Winproxy (this year). Winproxy is dirt cheap, its documentation and Web site support are current, its setup is straightforward under both Win. 95 and Win. NT 4.0 and its tech support is reasonably responsive. It is somewhat difficult to set up to run as an NT service. However, since it runs cleanly as an NT "app" that has proved to be a minor issue. I have done four installations since Jan. 98 ( 3 NT, 1 Win. 95). All took less than 20 minutes for the proxy server and 5 minutes per client (assuming the browser is already installed.) All four installations have run for several months without a hitch. Read the documentation, follow directions and the product works. In contrast, Wingate (resold & supported by Deerfield Communications Company, deerfield.com) costs the same or more than Winproxy, Wingate's documentation and Web site support are generally out of date, Wingate is very very complex to set up, Wingate's current version has some serious reliability problems under NT 4.0, and its tech support appears to be generally unresponsive. A careful review of the many, many comments re: the above on the "Wingate Open Discussion Forum" at the Deerfield site is instructive. Of three Wingate installs done over the past two years, and after dozens and dozens of support hours on each, I replaced two installations with Winproxy and reloaded an old but solid Version 1.3 (current version is 2.1) on the third. William P. Price, Jr. William Price Consultants wprice@swbell.net <<

To: Street Walker who wrote (791)	5/24/1998 11:07:00 AM
From: Dirk Hente	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14778

Wingate works perfectly for me and its free for one client. I haven't tried out all the other competitive products available because there was no need for me, so i can't tell if they are better or not (btw, all 'adress translaters' are based more or less on the same principle which implies that not all programs will run behind them). I think, the only pro for Wingate is that it is free for one client (the only feature which is important for me is the adress translation). I never had probs to keep it running with Win95 and NT4.0. But i can remember that it was difficult to set it up for the first time. Well, from the fact that i was able to set it up properly it follows immediately that it can't be 'very very complex' :). Actually, I can't share most of the the critics mentioned in Zeuspauls reply especially that Wingate is unreliable or unable to run as a service under NT 4.0. I only can tell that i have it running as a NT4.0 service for half a year or so and never had any reliability probs. But maybe things have changed, i am using version 2.0 which is not the latest.

To: Street Walker who wrote (791)	5/24/1998 4:09:00 PM
From: Spots	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14778

Is there a specific reason you want to use a proxy server rather than routing software? For instance, Win NT has builtin routing software. You can configure an NT WS to route 1 IP address (I do not know if you can do this successfully for a dial-in connection with an assigned IP address -- I must try this but I haven't). The advantage is that routing occurs at the IP layer, not at the high-level protocol layers (http is above winsock which is above tcp etc). The disadvantage is that you can't penetrate certain barriers such as firewalls, so if you have to get out from behind a firewall you may need the proxy. Note: I'm NOT by any means an expert on this subject; I am stating it as I understand it just to raise the point, subject to correction by the cognoscenti. Btw, for many years I thought "cognoscenti" meant "oderless little gears" <ggg>. Spots