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To: Alex who wrote (12115)5/24/1998 4:09:00 AM
From: Alex  Respond to of 116824
 
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To: Alex who wrote (12115)5/24/1998 7:07:00 AM
From: ForYourEyesOnly  Respond to of 116824
 
LBMA Expose Part II

THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis

Part - 2

This writer will present the entire situation via a
chronicle of all the news publications about the subject,
providing dates sources and authors - where possible. Nearly
all available information was researched from Internet
sources. Most comments are verbatim from respective authors.
Occasionally, this writer added comments of clarification
and/or conclusions where the research leaves off.

The Original LBMA Announcement -

Research since last week has turned up the very original public
announcement of the London Bullion Marketing Association's (LBMA)
EXPOS: it was exactly 07:05 AM on Monday July 14, 1997 --
perhaps in poetic recognition of the Bastille Day anniversary,
celebrating the French historic social revolution. Here it is
verbatim. Please notice the very conspicuous absence of any
adjectives or superlatives in the announcement. It is stated as
simply a "matter of fact" -- as if it were a mundane daily
weather report of dull-continuing conditions. SOMETHING IS
DRAMATICALLY WRONG HERE! This is mind-boggling news. Why no
journalistic commentary nor opinion?

Monday July 14 7:05 AM EDT

London daily gold turnover just down in June - LBMA

LONDON, July 14 (Reuters) - The average daily turnover of
gold cleared through London fell slightly in June to 32.2
million ounces per day from 32.4 in May, according to figures
issued by the London Bullion marketing Association on Monday.

In value terms the daily average was also lower at $11.0
billion, from $11.1 billion in May. It was the lowest average
daily value since December last year.

The average daily silver volume cleared in June rose sharply
to 270.5 million ounces from 236.6 million in May, while the
average daily value cleared rose to $1.3 billion from $1.1
billion in May.

The average number of transfers in June for gold was 1,105
compared with 1,154 in May. There were 513 silver transfers
on average up from 455 in May.

The average afternoon gold fixing in June was $340.76 per
ounce, down from May's $343.84, and silver's average fixing
was $4.755 versus $4.759 in May. *******************

Writer's note: Can anyone with just a smidgen of knowledge about
gold, honestly say this seemingly innocuous announcement does not
have monumental import and significance?

It is relevant to notice gold's average trading size per
transaction, which was 29,140 ounces -- nearly one tonne per
trade (32,150 oz. equivalent to a tonne). This is approximately
$10 million per trade. This suggests (at least to me) the trades
are non-Central Bank transactions - and more probable commercial
operations related to CURRENCY TRADING. Interestingly, the
average trading volume for ALL INTERNATIONAL CURRENCIES IS ABOUT
$1.2 TRILLION PER DAY.

Continuation of the LBMA Chronicle of Publications

Internet Commentary #6 -

Posted on the Internet January 30, 1997 by "amused"

Your comments (SELBY) fit right into my kind of thinking. NO ONE
or ENTITY can control or manipulate ANY market. I'm in the
Elliott camp that markets movements are based on the psychology
of the masses. That's the mania we are witnessing nowadays in the
stock market overall and will see in the gold market in the near
future.

Internet Commentary #7 -

Posted on the Internet February 1, 1997 by Milhouse

Recent events have me confused - hoping someone can answer a few
"simple" questions for me:

1. If we are to believe the London daily volume figures for
gold (30m oz??), why is anybody the slightest bit concerned
about the much discussed IMF threat to sell a lousy 5m oz?

2. Based on the fact that CB sales do seem to be significantly
impacting the gold price, and also based on our knowledge of
the total above ground stock of gold, does anyone really
believe the volumes announced by London ? Something doesn't
make sense here! There must be some smoke and mirrors
involved somewhere.

3. If there is actually some sort of conspiracy by CBs to keep
the price of gold down, then why is it only the financially
weaker countries that are selling ? Why not Germany, US,
Switzerland ? I find any sort of conspiracy theory difficult
to believe because the over-riding concern of any modern
government is re-election. Politicians and their pet Central
Bankers act to create the best possible short term picture
of their economies to attract votes.

4. We all know how cheap gold currently is in real terms.
Therefore, why is there so much selling at current prices ?
Why would anyone sell now, unless of course they think the
price is going much lower.

5. Why has the price of platinum been hammered to the same
extent as gold ? Have Central Banks been selling any
platinum ?

Sorry - lots of questions, no answers.

Internet Commentary #9 -

Posted on the Internet February 1, 1997 by vronsky

@ LBMA Gold Trading: 30 vs 7 Million Ounces Per Day??

I have a problem with your posting today (Richard Burke)! You say
the LBMA made a clarification on January 31, 1997 via Bridge News
- that average daily gold trading volume was only 7 million troy
ounces per day. I checked the archives of Bridge News - and am
UNABLE TO LOCATE SAID ARTICLE. Also, I would point out something
that appears very strange to me. On January 22 the LBMA announced
via the Financial Times that it would begin reporting daily gold
trading volume for the express purpose of providing transparency
to this market. Then On January 30 - again via the Financial
Times - the LBMA produced the report in unequivocal and
unambiguous terms that the daily gold trading volume was "30m
troy ounces, or 930 tonnes... a daily volume of gold which
represented twice the production from South African mines in a
year."

Furthermore, the article ended by stating:

"It also published the results of a Bank of England survey that
the 14 market-making members of the LBMA in the London bullion
market conducted in May last year. This showed about 7m ounces of
gold, worth $3bn, was traded daily by these market-makers."
Clearly they were referring to the gold volume of NINE MONTHS
AGO, NOT TODAY'S VOLUME.

Moreover, since the publications of the two articles about LBMA
gold trading volume APPEARED IN THE FINANCIAL TIMES, CONVENTION
FOLLOWS A CORRECTION SHOULD BE MADE IN THE SAME NEWSPAPER.
Strangely, THERE has been absolutely NO correction nor retraction
of any part of these articles via the FINANCIAL TIMES.

In conclusion I submit that the 30 million ounces of gold traded
DAILY IS CORRECT. Anything to the contrary is just subterfuge in
an attempt to confuse the public in regard to a very
controversial statement that has caused embarrassment in some
circles who would for personal reasons maintain secrecy about
daily London gold trading volume.

If and unless the LBMA itself states to the contrary, the real
daily gold trading volume in LONDON must necessarily be accepted
as originally stated at 30 million troy ounces, or 930 tonnes
valued at more than $10 billion DAILY! Interestingly, the LBMA
also emphatically stated the "LONDON MARKET CLEARED DAILY ROUGHLY
250 MILLION OUNCES OF SILVER VALUED AT MORE THAN $1 BILLION. BTW,
these figures also gel.

The original articles referred to above may be seen at Gold
Eagle's Global News page - CNN Financial - Bridge News ( search
"LBMA") -- gold-eagle.com

Internet Commentary #10 -

Posted on the Internet February 4, 1997 by GFD

A secular change reflects some fundamental shift in the markets -
the ecology, if you will, of gold. For instance, the rise of gold
prices during the 70's did not reflect a change in gold
production statistics (as far as I know) but reflected strong
inflation in most of the major currencies.

You have raised THE question for gold at this time. Are the
fundamentals - the "ecology" - of gold changing at this time?
Certainly consumption is outpacing production by ever increasing
margins. ( See Vronsky's page:
gold-eagle.com This bodes
well for gold as a commodity.

Viewing gold as a commodity may be mistaken, however. The LMBA
revelations show that gold is a global currency of some substance
and liquidity. So what affects the fundamentals of a currency?
Usually Central Bank monetary policy. However, gold does not have
a CB - it has it's own intrinsic worth. Changes in the price of
gold relative to other currencies reflect the strengths and
weaknesses of those other currencies relative to gold.

James Grant has made the observation that price rises in gold
reflect the mismanagement of Central Banks. In essence gold is a
hedge against CB mismanagement. Another way of looking at it is
that when CB's mismanage a currency it will drop in value when
compared with the gold currency - hence the price of gold "rises"
in that currency.

In this day and age it seems you have to substitute the word
"marketing" for management of currencies. When you look at the
blatant manipulation - spin doctoring - of economic and market
indexes it is clear that the value of modern currencies is in
"mind share" and not based on intrinsic value. (BTW is this one -
inadvertent? - implication of the LBMA revelations: capturing
more mind share for the "gold currency"??)

In a nutshell, if there is a change in the secular trend in gold
it most likely is reflecting (predicting?) a secular change in
the ability of CB's to "manage" their currencies. The "commodity"
story has been very strong for years, as can be seen in Vronsky's
page, for instance. But that has done nothing for gold relative
to any of the major currencies, particularly the US$.

A secular change at this time may reflect a fundamental societal
change towards intrinsic values. If and when this does happen, it
will really be quite something to see what a society does when it
realises that the emperor is not the only one without any
clothes!! It is dangerous to underestimate the power of ideas.
But a system of ideas (society) based on fluff could have quite a
catastrophic ending....

Internet Commentary #11 -

Posted on the Internet February 5, 1997 by Orpailleur

I was late in my readings and it was only yesterday I got to your
excellent message (from Cmax) of Fri Jan 31 1997 07:28. As it is
not as easy as before on Bart's new server to scroll back over
several days (Bart: I miss the possibility of saving comments
over a whole week for archiving!), let me summarize your
questions:

1. Why is gold so cheap,
2. Who prompted LBMA to go public, and
3. What are the underlying or "real" motivations for their
move.

Though the official reason of need for more transparency is
indeed of highest interest for the public, one may wonder if the
Sumitomo copper scandal is the real reason for the changing of
the course. Copper is a commodity, gold is quite a bit more than
a commodity as illustrated by the very figures published by the
LBMA.

The 3 major protagonists of this market are the producers, the
central banks, and the mainly London- and Zurich-based merchant
banks. The merchant banks borrowed gold from the central banks
and rented it to the producers, herewith making money by allowing
forward sales, spot deferred sales, and gold loans in order to
fill the market gap between offer and demand, all this for many
years, and accounting for tremendous amounts of gold. Gold price
remained controlled: gold was very cheap. This "tripartite party"
went on for years to the benefit of all ( with the exception of
us few goldbugs hidden in their kitcoan catacombs... ).

Now the merchant banks have broken the ties. Has it happened
because the central banks have no more gold to lend, or because
gold price is too low for many producers to survive, or because
over the years the merchant banks were able to accumulate such
amounts of money & gold, and such power in market making that the
central banks ( which within their capital structure are
controlled to some extent by the merchant banks themselves ) are
left with no clothes?

We'll know later - meanwhile we've now got a
glimpse of the sunlight outside ... the exit is
near!

Orpailleur

THE RED BARON

(September 15, 1997)

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To: Alex who wrote (12115)5/24/1998 7:09:00 AM
From: ForYourEyesOnly  Respond to of 116824
 
LMBA Expose Part III

THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis

Part - 3

This writer will present the entire situation via a
chronicle of all the news publications about the subject,
providing dates sources and authors - where possible. Nearly
all available information was researched from Internet
sources. Most comments are verbatim from respective authors.
Occasionally, this writer added comments of clarification
and/or conclusions where the research leaves off.

Internet Commentary #12 -

Posted on the Internet February 6, 1997 by Cmax

(food.for.thought@common.sense.com):

The most important factor facing the goldbugs (indeed, world
economy) is the enigma of the LBMA, who's discovery is not yet
been digested by the analysts, let alone the general public. I am
no market analyst, but I am a connoisseur of common sense.

Orapailleur, thanks for the summarization yesterday. To add to it
(and being that tonight looks pretty boring anyhow), this is what
I see:

THE SCENARIO: The world has been brainwashed into believing gold
is not money, so Central Banks (managed by those in power) can
print (steal) the money they need in order to obtain the vote (to
remain in power) via the socialistic expedience machine
("democratic" elections). To maintain the lie, the public must
trust the fiscal policies of the their government. The
governments have sold off all the tomorrows available, to live
the fiscal lie of today. There are no more tomorrows left to be
borrowed against, and what was borrowed can never be repaid. All
that is left is public trust, thanks to a well manipulated
propaganda machine. The budgets are not any nearer to being
balanced (contrary to what the press headlines say), nor can they
ever be balanced, under the debt load present. Default would mean
instant elimination from the game by foreign investors, who are
the one's who are really paying the bill. Gold must be maintained
at bay (and has been, up to now) in order to perpetuate the myth,
such as: "I can't really say what it would take to bring gold
back," admits Scott Mehlman, chief dealer for Credit Lyonnais
Rouse. "We have had a sea-change in sentiment by the markets and
by the biggest holders of gold in the world -- the central banks.
While gold isn't on its way out, it's evident that its price
hasn't bottomed out yet, either."

Now governments are against the wall, and just about not able to
pay their bills in the event of any "hiccup" in the world that
shakes the faith; and they cannot either:

a. tax (steal) more. The economies cannot tolerate more taxes,
because this will result in less revenues

b. raise interest rates to attract more "tomorrow" buyers... this
would raise pre-existing debt payments to a short term point of
diminishing returns

c. Print more money (maybe), which would also raise interest
rates due to inflation. As this is not so direct, this will be
their only alternative.

$$$$Enter press release of London Bullion Market Association$$$$$

A heretofore unknown entity (for all practical reasons) reveals
the existence of a 10 BILLION DOLLAR a day gold market (930
tons), that has always existed (albeit, not always at this
level). But remember that this is only the LBMA. World gold
market has been estimated at 3 to 5 times this volume. Let's use
a factor of 4 as an average. This means 40 billion dollars per
day! And who says gold is not money? As REB said, they have been
keeping a pet elephant hidden from the neighbors (and all the
neighbors make their living studying elephants "SELBY"). The
fundamental perspective of gold is changing right NOW.

Volume: COMEX is IRRELEVANT!
The LBMA moves 60 TIMES THE VOLUME!

Whether it is physical transfer, or exchange of paper
receipts...it is the volume of a tangible asset. THEY (whoever
they are) say that gold's downtrend was catalyzed by the Dutch CB
sale of 300 tons of their gold last year, and further stimulated
by further CB rumors of more sales. Holland's measly 300 tons
(for 1996) is chicken feed alongside the WORLD gold volume at
3,720 tons PER DAY! Whatever the Central Bank's decide, it isn't
enough to manipulate the gold market.....now that the CAT IS OUT
OF THE BAG. They won't even be able to cause a ripple, when the
markets REALIZE the SIZE of this NEWLY DISCOVERED gold market.
And don't forget silver....LBMA alone is moving a BILLION dollars
a day of this stuff too.......and multiply that by 4 for world
volume.

Anyway, it appears that the Euro CB's have banned the selling of
their gold to meet the EURO monetary requirements.

Who says gold isn't money? Interesting to look at, was the
comment that all existing gold only represents 1/2 ounce or less
per capita for the world's population. An increase in population
would automatically mean more demand and long term REAL increase
in gold's intrinsic value. (But as a corollary, if AIDS wipes out
most of the population, in which case, would be deflationary to
the value of gold). But then, 90% of aids is limited to "lesser
able" (and less cautious) who would not likely accumulate wealth
anyhow, and this might not have a proportional effect on gold
value vs population.

??Consider this....Gold prices have dropped roughly 13% in the
last 9 months....and daily gold volume on the LBMA has more than
tripled in volume in the same period. It appears that, when gold
is used as a currency (and not a store of value) it is not
important what LEVEL the monetary (i.e. gold price to the dollar
) unit has......only that it maintains a reasonable amount of
it's value in the short run; long enough to make your next
transaction.

Having lived in a society with 10% inflation per day and constant
additions of zeros to the currency, I can vouch for this theory.
But someone would only buy into a losing currency if it were
TEMPORARY, and their was more profit to be made for the delivery
of your products or services.

Remember, these huge volumes on the LBMA
are NOT from hoarders....these are the
numbers of merchants using gold as a
CURRENCY. Who says gold is not money?

??Consider this: Gold production to demand ratios are no longer
important.........the LBMA moves the world's entire yearly
production in ONE day.

???Consider this: Bob estimated 1.3 billion ounces held
by CB's. The government claimed 4 billion oz above
ground in 1994 = 4.3 bil oz in Jan 1997. Take the LBMA x
4 for world volume (30 million x 4 = 120 million oz) =
that every 10.8 working days the world gold markets
clear the amount of gold equivalent to all Central Bank
holdings..........who says gold is not money?

Now, world gold trade has been exposed as being 3% of
ALL FOREX CONTRACTS on a DAILY BASIS! And remember that
this volume is being traded with FOREX contracts at 189
times the amount of available
gold..................er...ah...that means the gold (or
it's ownership certificate) is NOT just sitting in some
vault gathering dust........IT IS BEING CIRCULATED.
Sounds kinda like.... money....no?

Gold IS money. Gold is now the only money that is also a
commodity..............how nice. (Reality, what a concept!) The
CB's will not sell a significant amount of their gold...maybe
only small amounts to keep up the lip service of it's "only a
commodity"....and lord keeeeeeyne's other doublespeak. Remember,
CB's want THEIR hedges too (er ah,...just in case). Anyway, CB
any gold sales would be INSIGNIFICANT in resolving their deficit
problems. Central banks cannot now control the perception of
gold...........gold is currency.

And now.........ta..ta...ta..ta..ta..ta........now enter digital
(profound thanks GFD) encrypted GOLD DEPOSIT CERTIFICATES! Silly
idea....I think NOT. Say bye-bye to paper money??
GOLD..........the on-line currency. .... ..coming soon to YOUR
ATM. How soon? When people discover what bb fisher has been
saying all along: "money is debt....and debt is money....ya can't
have one without the other". (God I love how that just rolllls
off the tongue) .

Is all this a "power play" by the LBMA?? In light of the
preceding paragraph.....what would YOU do in their shoes?? The
LBMA press release undermines ALL CB's propaganda....they are
bitter enemies........... but just don't know it YET. The LBMA is
that infamous voice that first screamed in an audible tone the
king has no clothes. Period.

The LBMA change to "transparency" is a definite power play. This
could be their move to push gold into a de facto currency.

Even SCARIER.... (or maybe exciting?) is that if all U.S. money
in circulation was re-monetized (backed by gold) once
again......gold would be around $34,000 an ounce! (Gee...did I
really say that? There's gonna be hell to pay tomorrow....Maybe I
better just hide for a few days)

Forget your Elliott waves, Mike and Bob waves, radio waves, and
they are all microwaves.........LBMA is SOUNDWAVES.....and they
are booming all around us NOW!

The LBMA press release.......Pandora's box
just opened.......now HOW LONG????????

Internet Commentary #13 -

Posted on the Internet February 6, 1997 by Cmax

(@last minute?)

LBMA questions left to be answered:

Why does the LBMA let COMEX dictate gold price (which apparently
is what happens in their very archaic clearing procedures)
.............or maybe they don't. (maybe it is the boy who has an
elephant on the leash, thinking that he is taking the elephant
out for a walk).

I don't have this number handy, but just how many days of
exchange in the LBMA....ALONE......are necessary to equal ALL
gold in the EC central banks.......two......maybe three days
worth of transactions??

Gold has been acting (considering the LBMA information now
available) EXTREMELY illogical. Paradoxical. We must review our
premises. If they are RIGHT......even in light of this
paradox.......we are in for one hell of a correction when the
LBMA information is digested.

Internet Commentary #14 -

Posted on the Internet February 9, 1997 by Cmax

(@no.euro.com)

Wish I knew. Obviously nobody does. The Euro governments still
continue giving a lot of lip service to a common monetary unit,
but frankly, it would be against all logic and common sense to
see this really implemented on anything more than a superficial
level. As any sailor would know, a chain is only as strong as
it's weakest link. Do you REALLY think that Germany would foot
the bill very long for Italy, Spain, or Portugal?; or England
allow Germany to dictate it's fiscal policy?; or worse yet,
France allow ANYONE to take the slightest control away from their
incredible socialistic machine? I don't think the Euro, as a
common unit that will control the fiscal regimes of countries
that are so different in their needs and cultures, will ever come
to pass. If it does, it would be on a level no more important
than commemorative coin. At least the Brits are strong enough of
character not to give so much lip service. As to LBMA, it would
be something only guided by their institution; no government
would knowingly give their blessings to what they are attempting,
that is (indirectly) saying that the king has no clothes
(er...ah....gee, your Majesty, isn't it a little breezy around
your knickers today?).

Internet Commentary #16 -

Posted on the Internet February 18, 1997 by arden

LBMA announced today that it cleared gold deals worth $13 BILLION
a day in January up from only $11 BILLION in December. This
involved 37.2 million ounces or 1,157 tons per DAY. As Sen
Proxmire used to say "A billion dollars here, a billion dollars
there, sooner or later that's going to add up to some real
money!"

So why is the price set on Comex?

Internet Commentary #17 -

Posted on the Internet February 1, 1997 by GFD

I am surprised that no one has bothered to comment on the LBMA
volume numbers - "37.2 million ounces in January compared to
29.80 million ounces in December. " I seem to recall an earlier
post that said that trading early last year was around 7 (11?)
million. This type of surge in volume is indicative of the type
of massive blowout that one might expect at a secular (or
religious) bottom. Everyone should keep their stops tight and
their shorts loose because this market may have a couple of
whipsaws left.

It is interesting to speculate who exactly is on the
other side of the trades the silly shorts and hedgers
are making. John N's comment about rickety trucks going
along the silk road may be smack on the money. Doom on
them all if someone wants physical delivery of the gold
they bought from the shorts.....

THE RED BARON

(September 22, 1997)

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THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 1
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 2

CENTRAL BANK GOLD OPERATIONS & ITS RAMIFICATIONS - Part I
CENTRAL BANK GOLD OPERATIONS & ITS RAMIFICATIONS - Part II

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To: Alex who wrote (12115)5/24/1998 7:10:00 AM
From: ForYourEyesOnly  Respond to of 116824
 
LBMA Part IV

THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis

Part - 4

This writer will present the entire situation via a
chronicle of all the news publications about the subject,
providing dates sources and authors - where possible. Nearly
all available information was researched from Internet
sources. Most comments are verbatim from respective authors.
Occasionally, this writer added comments of clarification
and/or conclusions where the research leaves off.

Internet Commentary #18 -

Posted on the Internet February 22, 1997 by arden

Comex warehouse stocks are composed of two parts, eligible and
registered. The total between the two is reported here almost
daily by myself as a courtesy to my Kitco friends. If I do not
make a post, it is either the fact that they are unchanged or
that I am in the field (I am a geologist and do have to find gold
once in a while!) If I do not post the numbers they can be found
on Steve Kaplan's excellent web site or delayed from Bart's
prices page. Look under FWN (which is Futures World News). This
info is delayed six hours which used to really irritate me so I
subscribed to the service, thus I get the info about 4:00 p.m.
eastern time. Since I paid for it, I feel it is OK to pass it on
to Kitco.

My main reason for doing this is because I think it is very
important. Sometimes I have felt like a voice in the wilderness,
but I think I am slowly getting converts. Let me explain my
rational as follows:

As far as I understand (and this is based on some trading
commodities experience) there are two ways to create a contract.
First is to deposit money into brokerage firm as margin, then
write a contract (which is a short). There are two classes of
these 'writers', hedgers and speculators. Bonafide hedgers have
different margin requirements than the speculator because
presumably the hedger has the gold around somewhere (inventory,
reserves, etc.) while the speculator is only betting on a price
decline in the commodity if he writes the contract. The other
method of creating a contract is to physically deposit gold
meeting the specifications of the Comex contracts with a
certified Comex warehouse. Then you may write a contract against
your deposit. These I believe are the 'eligible' gold deposits,
that is eligible to be delivered against a contract. The other
form of deposit is 'registered' which I believe is simply gold on
deposit in a warehouse with no obligations against it. This may
be done for the simple function of security and ease with which
to collect 'interest' on the gold by selling a future contract in
a flat market. The warehouse charges storage and security fees I
believe so its not a free place to leave your gold.

That leads us to our present situation. Currently there is
582,762 ounces of gold on deposit in Comex warehouses. Of this
ONLY 323,111 OUNCES ARE 'ELIGIBLE' against an open interest of
roughly 20 million ounces worth of contracts. In addition to the
outright contracts outstanding, there are a huge number of calls
at various strike prices. It is not uncommon for someone to write
an out-of-the-money call without having the call covered by
physical metal. The theory ( called delta hedging I believe ) is
that you can always buy more metal as the price gets closer to
the strike price. You can see how well this worked in the copper
market last year with 'delta hedged' puts.

It is my personal belief that we are in an explosive situation
and that the early warning signs are in the Comex gold warehouse
stocks. I have poised this concern for nine months or more and
have slowly watched people pay attention.

This 'smokescreen' from the LMBA has obscured what may
really be going on now. I can not believe that the
amount of bullion changing hands is of this magnitude
without price movement. Rather I think you should pay
very close attention to the wording of their statements.
They say that 'deals' for that amount are transacted on
a daily basis, not that actual bullion sales occurred.

No my friends, I think the cupboard is BARE
and we will soon see the results!

Internet Commentary #19 -

Posted on the Internet February 22, 1997 by arden

Vieserre - you miss my point a bit and its my fault for not
expressing it better. The Comex gold stocks and inverted pyramid
that they represent between physical gold and gold obligations
are symptomatic of the entire world gold position! *We have heard
that Central Banks in countries such as Brazil have written
contracts for far more gold than they own.* If this were just
some distortion in the world gold market ( Comex gold stock
decline that is ) , then obviously there would be some arbitrage
players involved like there is in so many stocks. I don't think
so. I suspect the real situation with the LMBA is very similar to
the Comex situation! Thank you for pointing out my omissions!

Internet Commentary #20 -

Posted on the Internet February 22, 1997 by Vieserre

The situation with the LMBA is profoundly interesting. How so
much gold can be transacted in "deals" or "sales" without more
attention being given publicly to the nature of the transactions
is incomprehensible, particularly in the present economic
environment where one almost daily reads that gold's usefulness
as a financial asset is relic of prehistoric times. Since it
makes for a great story, I would think a great number of people
are diligently investigating, and seemingly someone by now would
at least come up with a 'Deep Throat.' The participants must have
deep pockets such as CBs and the like, but if so, why would they
not deal directly with one another and not through an exchange,
unless they desire anonymity which may support the China
connection. I wonder. Why would the LMBA suddenly make the
annoucement? An explanation of calling attention to the world of
the importance of the exchange does not have superficial merit.
If they have so much business, why do they need to champion
themselves; and since parties making the transactions would
presumably desire anonymity, they are not currying favor with
their clients by the disclosure.

What persuasive public policy is rendered
by disclosing the information?

Internet Commentary #21 -

Posted on the Internet April 1, 1997 by Vieserre

@the Rigged Market:

Have you considered how bullion is marketed: Bullion dealers are
often banks or entities owned by banks, the major wholesaler are
Swiss Banks and their owned refineries, banks control most of the
world supply, London price fixes are made by banks, the LBMA is
comprised of banks, most physical gold is traded through the
LBMA, in some countries all gold produced is marketed by the
bank, and I am told a producer's output is sold by its refinery
at the then prevailing price without negotiation of price. Do you
think this means anything. (:-))

Internet Commentary #22 -

Posted on the Internet April 5, 1997 by Cmax

On January 29, the London Bullion Market Association confirmed
that 30 million ounces (approx. 930 tons) of GOLD were being
cleared per day through their organization alone. They are
primarily a physical clearing house, so obviously, these
extremely high volumes would not indicate gold hoarding, but that
gold being used as a form of currency for the payment of commerce
(money).

It has been reasonably estimated that
world volume would be 3 to 5 times this
daily amount. Again, there is a huge
undercurrent of gold volume, and no one
is listening, especially the paper markets.

Internet Commentary #23 -

Posted on the Internet July 27, 1997 by Cmax

The issue on LBMA or OTC trading vis-a-vis the Comex with regard
to price leadership is a question I have raised repeatedly on
this forum and elsewhere with no substantive response, except for
Earl's amplifier hypothesis. (Red Baron comment: Unable to find
Earl's comment) It is a missing link in my analysis, one that I
have seen no analyst touch on, and one which I would appreciate
your comments on if you find an answer.

Internet Commentary #24 -

Posted on the Internet August 1, 1997 by Vieserre

The LBMA Puzzle and the Dachshund:

Thanks for the earlier comment, sorry I have not gotten back to
you sooner on the LBMA. There is a lot I do not understand about
the gold markets but the LBMA is biggest puzzle. To consider that
over 930 tonnes of gold - equivalent to over 10 billion dollars
and the entire reserves of the European Union Central Banks - is
traded "each day" is mind boggling. Yet so little is said about
this "behemoth" as to who the traders are and the purpose of the
trades. And why the COMEX should be able to wag its tail since it
is a Dachshund in comparison, as C-max put it, is indeed
perplexing.

In an attempt to make sense of this, I view the gold
market as having several basic types of supply/demand
components. The first is what everyone reads about:
producer supply and scrap on one side, and fabrication
demand on the other. A second type rises from CB's
adding to or reducing gold reserves. And this together
with the first is often massaged and misleadingly
reported to support the spin that the media or
commentator desires to make with respect to gold supply
and demand. And depending on the spin, one could believe
that there is a huge deficit, a modest amount or a
surplus. The third type which I believe is most
important is investment supply and demand on which I
have not seen much published except for related
speculative buying and selling on the futures exchange.
I view gold hedging in the same manner as naked
speculative buying and selling. It may temporarily
affect price when being implemented or unwound, but it
does not affect price based on physical supply since it
neither adds to or reduces total supply.

Trading directed to each of the above is evidenced both on the
COMEX and the OTC market, but most trading appears to take place
on the OTC. Some of the LBMA trading may relate to OTC forward
contracts being implemented by producers and speculators both on
the long and short side, not unlike undertaken at the COMEX.
However, major players may prefer the OTC as there is no
particular contract month to be concerned with, there is
anonymity, and one can contract directly with a party of his
choice, among other reasons. Then there simply may be other
traders who buy and sell on the LBMA spot market with little
interest or impact on price - which may include producers,
bullion houses, banks, and dealers. The producer has little
impact on price since it sells its gold at the prevailing spot
price. (It may however affect price by hedge timing, dependent on
its expectation of future price.) The commercial dealer for the
fabrication trade similarly will buy at prevailing spot in an
amount that will satisfy fabrication demand at that price. Banks,
bullion houses, dealers and the like may simply not care about
price as they may be trading risk free by passing the risk on to
others. THUS A LOT OF TRADING CAN OCCUR ON THE LBMA WITHOUT
REGARD TO PRICE.

However, a trader that would be expected to trade on the LBMA, as
well as on the COMEX, and who should affect price is the private
investor or hoarder of gold. He does not have to sell or buy, and
he will only do so at price which is based on his view of gold as
a performing asset. And, it is this Investor who is believed to
affect the margin, which usually determines price of most
commodities. I have no knowledge of the amount of gold held by
such investors, but my premise is that since 2/3 of the global
gold supply is in private hands, it would seem reasonable that a
sizable portion is held as private investment stock. And, these
holders may affect price even though they may only trade among
themselves.

Red Baron comment: Recognized experts estimate
the amount of existing gold in private hands at
about 80,000 tonnes - approximately equivalent
to 35 years of annual gold mine production

As to why the COMEX seemingly has such a large influence on price
when considering its relative size to the LBMA, I suppose it is
not unlike many other markets which are influenced by the futures
markets. A price change, owing to the size and nature of trading
would seem to be more easily accomplished on the futures market
as opposed to the OTC market. But it may also be because a lot of
the trading on the LBMA is done independent of price as above
reasoned. In any event, a price change induced by the futures
market should hold only if traders on the LBMA accept it, and
that is based on the above cumulative trading considerations and
others.

Since IMO the private investor is the sine qua non of price, if
gold is to significantly increase in price, (other than for
technical short covering) it is going to be because of conditions
that make gold attractive as an investment other than for
fabrication demand. Although fabrication demand is important,
there is far too much gold to satisfy this demand alone for
decades. But once gold becomes more attractive as an investment
for other reasons such as inflation, currency revaluation and the
like, it will rise in price accordingly. In addition such other
reasons are also likely to discourage CB selling and producer
hedging. IMO, since the investment community buys or sells gold
based on such economical or financial expectations,
axiomatically, it is why gold has responded reasonably well over
the years as a leading economical or financial indicator.

The above collage is based primarily on supposition, many parts
of which could be in error. Your comments are welcomed, as well
as others on this forum who are more knowledgeable.

THE RED BARON

(September 29, 1997)

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THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 3

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To: Alex who wrote (12115)5/24/1998 7:12:00 AM
From: ForYourEyesOnly  Respond to of 116824
 
LBMA Part V

THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis

Part - 5

This writer will present the entire situation via a
chronicle of all the news publications about the subject,
providing dates sources and authors - where possible. Nearly
all available information was researched from Internet
sources. Most comments are verbatim from respective authors.
Occasionally, this writer added comments of clarification
and/or conclusions where the research leaves off.

Internet Commentary #25 -

Posted on the Internet September 12, 1997 by YAHOO

London Average Daily gold Turnover Falls in August -

LONDON (Reuter) - Gold average daily turnover fell to 33.2
million ounces inaugust from 37.0 million in July, according to
statistics released by the London Bullion Marketing Association
(LBMA) on Friday.

The turnover was still 1.1 million ounces above the lowest volume
seen this year in April.

Internet Commentary #26 -

Posted on the Internet September 14, 1997 by "ANOTHER"

(an answer?):

This could be an answer directed to the "Red Baron"?

The CBs are becoming "primary suppliers" to the gold market.
Understand that they are not doing this because they want to,
they have to. The words are spoken to show a need to raise
capital but we knew that was a screen from long ago. You will
find the answer to the LBMA problem if you follow a route that
connects South Africa, The middle east, India and then into Asia!

Remember this; the western world uses paper as a real value, but
oil and gold will never flow in the same direction. Big Trader

Internet Commentary #27 -

Private email in September 1997 by "Oracle of Alberta"

Your article re: LBMA is refreshing analysis of an article many
of us may have glossed over. I had also noted the implications of
the article.

I would like to propose other angles on the questions/points you
raise in your article (I reference your words followed by my
commentary)

So, repeating a question I raised yesterday, is this announcement
a powerplay by London to replace New York and Tokyo?? Or is there
some more "occult" reason for this??? Are the Central Bank's
laying the ground for a "backup" system due to fears of an
impending (but occult) meltdown in paper??

I think there is something much deeper going on here that extends
beyond London but to a collusion of some of the most powerful
European and American merchant banking interests that just so
happen to be the primary shareholders (Class A boards of
directors) on the Federal Reserve System/Federal Reserve Banks.
These include the N.M. Rothschild and Sons who just happen to be
one of five key players that fix the price of gold each day in
London, and have since 1919 at the Rothschild office. I am of the
opinion that either the Rothschilds, who have benefited as the
gold bullion traders par-excellence in Europe for over 200 years,
are positioning themselves (and the Bank of England, as you
suggest, which they are also a big part of) for the ensuing
meltdown of fiat/paper currencies (that will come) or they are
part of an even grander oligarchy of merchant bankers that
through their influence on the Fed are playing their part (as
master bullion traders) and systematically orchestrating the
collapse of the U.S. paper and stock market system (as some
suggest occured in 1929). Your use of the word "occult" is
interesting and worth digging deeper! The "backup" system you
mention may in fact be a new global medium of
exchange....electronic fund transfer systems....that is already
ready for globalization and which has been tested in various
countries already....My theory: orchestrate the destruction of
fiat/paper currency, argue that their day is done, usher in a new
electronic currency system that will be touted as the panacee and
saviour of an inherently unsustainable fiat system. As you
note....Ann Ryand is correct...there are no paradoxes in nature,
neither are their paradoxes in the secular, human world...only
carely manufactured enigmas.

HOW HOW WOW....., is this "enlightened" age of
information, exist something SO large as loco
London?? It has been hidden all this time not by
government mandate...but by private enterprise.

Bingo! The fact be known is that it is the private merchant
banking interests who are the real levers behind the scene,
particularly through the Fed, the Bank of England and the Bank of
France....read the history of the Rothschild house and you will
get a clue to their ability to influence so-called public
institutions. Their ability to create smoke-and-mirrors through
their involvement in the media is staggering...beyond
imagination...in fact, they would have many of us believe these
very thoughts we are raising now are figments of our
imagination....delusions of a maniac.

Goldgugs have been putting the excuse of their plight on gold
"management" by Central Banks. With these numbers flowing in the
previously occulted London Exchange, Central Bank's could not
possibly manipulate. Gold then must be acting NOW as a commodity,
supply and demand. And the price that we have now, is it's
commodity price (rather than manipulated price). And as any
commodity, it is subject to the market's perception. Popular
economists refer to gold as a dead horse....these are not numbers
of an inactive currency. WHEN the masses translate this loco
London information, the perception of gold must change
dramatically.

It would make sense for the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and other
powerful merchant banking interests to manufacture a sentiment
that gold is dead....it is in their interest to leave the masses
believing that gold is no longer a store of value (thus currency)
but rather a simple commodity. The fact is, a Rothschild, knows
otherwise, from a history of gold trading in 200 years of
European history. Why do you think N.M. Rothschild still lists as
the primary business as the trading of gold bullion (and
treasuries)...they are making ooodels of money on each of the
tremendous transactions noted in the Times article...you can
imagine the transaction revenues that these folks have pile up
over 200 years at the craft!!! A manufactured perception becomes
reality!

? I remember Ann Rand saying somewhere that in nature, paradoxes
cannot exist......one must recheck their premises. Our PREMISES
definitely need some rechecking now; OR the general market needs
to recheck their's. Gold, with this volume (and new information),
is behaving paranormally.

Indeed, Ann Ryand is correct..neither are there paradoxes in our
secular markets! It is we, you and I, who must recheck the nature
and foundation of money exchange and creation for clues to
uncovering what appears to be paranormal. Perhaps all is quite
normal, at least normal from the perspective of the oligarchy
which wields such power.

What ever prompted the "perfectly" occulted London gold market to
go public??

Good question. My theory...as with allowing U.S. citizens to once
again buy and own gold bullion and coin (not since 1933 and
Roosevelt's decree).....is that "they" feel confident that
sentiment in gold has depressed sufficiently to provide no short
term threat to an agenda which includes the introduction of a
single/global medium of exchange....going public may simply be a
sign of arrogance or confidence....perhaps it is too late...for
even those who do hold gold, knowing the inherent weaknesses of
fiat currencies, gold has been both "nakedized" and neutralized.

This is against the very nature of it's participants. And against
the interests of the Central Bank's and governments. This London
market is no little news...what are their intentions with this
release? First thing that comes to mind, is that if I wanted to
undermine the very root of fiat currencies, this is exactly the
information I would release. Perhaps the LBMA news was released
under political pressure because the Brits want out of the common
European currency, or perhaps a stronger hand in its formation.
What they are in effect saying is that while the dollar, yen, and
DM are the world's reserve currency, we hold the gold currency.

Maybe there is more here again that meets the eye. Releasing such
information was planned....gold, all conventional media argue, is
a "dead horse"....If my plan was ultimately to attract enough
individual liquidity into an irrational stock market, if I know
that a $5 trillion debt load will implode at some time along with
the demise of fiat U.S. currency (and the Yen , DM and
Euro)....if my plan is to control the ultimate lever (the medium
of exchange) through electronic currency...the release of such
information at this stage is harmless to my ultimate agenda. It
is possible that the Rothschilds are standing behind the Brits in
their own unease with the future of the Euro (which I tend to
believe is an experiment by the very same merchant banking
interests of Europe and America that control the Fed), having
backed the Brits before as lender to Wellington at Waterloo and
other financial support to the Monarchy. The Rothschilds, more
than any other merchant banker, including the Rockefellers, knows
the age old value of gold as a strategic store of value.....just
in case the entire scheme goes bust.

Take note.....I believe the political tug of war over the Euro,
especially as being exercised by the French populace, will be
critical to the success of such a grander scheme of introducing a
global monetary union. It could be that the Euro is a grand
experiment to test the possibility for the grander scale of
global monetary union. Ironically, it is the democratic process
and the people of France who might actual spoil the party!

Internet Commentary #28 -

Posted on the Internet September 28, 1997 by "JTF"

The most recent Red Baron session on the LBMA mystery, cmplements
of Vronsky. My impression is that if volume on the LBMA is
accurate (probably not real gold trading, but rather derivative
trading), this may a prelude to the entry of a new e-gold
currency. How interesting that our Alan Greenspan just recently
contributed A PAPER IN A COLLECTION of papers on electronic
currencies. As you may recall, I also mentioned that the CEPR,
and the NBERrecently co-sponsored a symposium, much of it
focusing on the return to the GOLD STANDARD. The lovcation was
the University of Warwick, july 1990. This would fit together if
Britain announced it wished to join the ECU.

Why has gold gone down, and the dollar up? What better way to
convince others of the power of your new currency to manipulate
the market, as well as pave the way to launching the ECU? I hope
this will stimulate some discussion. We may know faily soon
whether the UK will be joining the ECU, and the TRUTH OF THE
ABOVE.

Internet Commentary #29 -

Posted on the Internet September 28, 1997 by "JTF"

I forgot to repeat the message -- The 1990 Economic Symposium at
the University of Warwick -- One of the papers about returning to
the GOLD STANDARD also mentioned the VALUE OF COMPLETE SECRECY.
Intriguing isn't it?! Hard to keep everything a secret in
Academic cicle, it seems. I think we will know the truth SOON.

Internet Commentary #30 -

Posted on the Internet October 5, 1997 by "ANOTHER"

(THOUGHTS!)

Everyone knows where we have been. Let's see where we are going!

It was once said that "gold and oil can never flow in the same
direction". If the current price of oil doesn't change soon we
will no doubt run out of gold.

This line of thinking is very real in the world today but it is
never discussed openly. You see oil flow is the key to gold flow.
It is the movement of gold in the hidden background that has kept
oil at these low prices. Not military might, not a strong US
dollar, not political pressure, no it was real gold. In very
large amounts. Oil is the only commodity in the world that was
large enough forgold to hide in. Noone could make the South
African/ Asian connection when the question was asked, "how could
LBMA do so many gold deals and not impact the price". That's
because oil is being partially used to pay for gold! We are going
to find out that the price of gold, in terms of real money ( oil
) has gone thru the roof over these last few years. People
wondered how the physical gold market could be "cornered" when
it's currency price wasn't rising and no shortages were showing
up? The Central Banks were becoming the primary suppliers by
replacing openly held gold with Central Bank certificates. This
action has helped keep gold flowing during a time that trading
would have locked up. (Gold has always been funny in that way. So
many people worldwide think of it as money, it tends to dry up as
the price rises.) Westerners should not be too upset with the
Central Bank actions, they are buying you time!

So why has this played out this way? In the real world some
people know that gold is real wealth no matter what currency
price is put on it. Around the world it is traded in huge volumes
that never show up on bank statements, govt. stats., or trading
graph paper.

The Western governments needed to keep the price of gold down so
it could flow where they needed it to flow. The key to free up
gold was simple. The Western public will not hold an asset that
going nowhere, at least in currency terms. (if one can only see
value in paper currency terms then one cannot see value at all)
The problem for the CBs was that the third world has kept the
gold market "bought up" by working thru South Africa! To avoid a
spiking oil price the Central Banks first freed up the publics
gold thru the issuance of various types of "paper future gold".
As that selling dried up they did the only thing they could,
become primary suppliers! And here we are today. In the early
1990s oil went to $30++ for reasons we all know. What isn't known
is that it's price didn't drop that much. You see the trading
medium changed. Oil went from $30++ to $19 + X amount of gold!
Today it costs $19 + XXX amount of gold! Yes, gold has gone up
and oil has stayed the same in most eyes. Now all govts. don't
get gold for oil, just a few. That's all it takes. For now! When
everyone that has exchanged gold for paper finds out it's real
price, in oil terms they will try to get it back. The great
scramble that "Big Trader" understood may be very, very close.

Now my friends you know where we are at and with a little
thought, where we are going.

THE RED BARON

(October 7, 1997)

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THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 2
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 3
THE GRAND LBMA EXPOS: A Collective-Mind Analysis - Part 4

CENTRAL BANK GOLD OPERATIONS & ITS RAMIFICATIONS - Part I
CENTRAL BANK GOLD OPERATIONS & ITS RAMIFICATIONS - Part II

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To: Alex who wrote (12115)5/24/1998 11:39:00 AM
From: PaulM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116824
 
"a few problems if, say, holders of 87 contracts were to....take delivery"

"which they THEORETICALLY can do"

nypostonline.com

"the idea is to shift open interest to September"

Give me a break. The official palladium market has broken down. And NYMEX should admit that instead of squeezing open interest into the future, always waiting for that boatlaod of metal right around the corner.

How do you explain such an inefficient market wihout admitting manipulation on the downside to this point? I think the Butler articles over at Golden Eagle are 100%on target. They are perhaps the best way to uderstand what is going to happen with the metals in teh coming years.