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To: Grainne who wrote (22521)	5/29/1998 8:48:00 PM
From: James R. Barrett	1 Recommendation Respond to of 108807

>>"It was so funny to read that Dana is perceived in Egypt and Jordan as the prostitute singer, because she MOANS when she sings!!! I guess it is not okay to, um, talk about your feelings there!! It looks like her tapes are smuggled into these countries, where she is forbidden, because the Arabs are fascinated with whatever they are deprived of in their fundamentalist cultures. I find that very amusing!! "<< Yes, that does make YOU very SUPERIOR to them. Jim

To: Grainne who wrote (22521)	5/29/1998 11:02:00 PM
From: Charliss	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine, I am curious. When you say "All these guys are just people after all," how are you using the word "guys?" I know that quite often we use the term "guys" in reference to groups of people no matter what the gender mix. For example, a waitress may address a table of all men, or all women, or a mixture, by inquiring "How are you guys this evening?" To address Dana or another transsexual woman as a "guy" as a gender designation though, would be thoughtless and insensitive. It would hurt. Identity is such a personal thing, and yet society is usually loathe to allow people the freedom and right to self-identify, preferring instead to impose its own concept of what constitutes and defines another's identity, and then demand that one accept that concept even though it may not apply.* While we are gaining somewhat in our willingness and ability to grant identity and legitimacy on the broad issues of race, nationality, religion, etc, we still struggle with the finer tolerances and subtleties of gender identity as opposed to genetic sex, gender identity as opposed to sexual orientation, and with homosexuality as opposed to heterosexuality. Perhaps we are speaking here about what Alan Watts has referred to as "The taboo against knowing who(what) you are," as that applies to knowledge and acceptance of oneself and knowledge and acceptance of the other. What do you think? Best, cd * While not the most precise example of this, there is the powerful scene in E.M.Forster's "The Jewel In The Crown" where the British officer insists on mispronouncing the Hindu's name as a means of power and control through trivializing and dehumanizing personal identity.

To: Grainne who wrote (22521)	5/30/1998 1:44:00 AM
From: Mayo Root	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Fight "stupid prejudice"? Tell me Christinie, are you inferring there is "smart prejudice"? Boy, talk about being frustrated with people who use poor english! Well, I suppose the phrase, "You teach what you most need to learn." certainly is ringing true on this one! Really Christeenie..... you should get someone to proof your posts. Or better yet....nah.... you would never stop posting.....