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To: Rational who wrote (1154)	5/30/1998 7:25:00 PM
From: Jonathan Cleveland	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12475

Bullshit the Indians were in bed with the Russians, you idiot since 1948------------1992 when the evil empire died. India is a third world country. God Bless President Ronald Reagan. Amen

To: Rational who wrote (1154)	5/30/1998 10:59:00 PM
From: Mohan Marette	Respond to of 12475

Buddy Bob on India's arrogance. Excerpt from McFarlance article in NY Times. Robert Mc Farlane:"We must make clear to the Indian Government that it is today what it was two weeks ago, an arrogant, overreaching cabal that, by its devotion to the caste system, the political and economic disenfranchisement of its people and its religious intolerance, is unworthy of membership in any club". I think coming form Bob Mc Farlane [erstwhile National Security Advisor to President Regan] I consider it as a compliment, as the saying goes it takes one to know one. As a high ranking U.S official who flagrantly broke the U.S laws in Iran/Contra affair should know a thing or two about arrogance,poor Oliver North he got the shaft for it. Excerpt from McFarlane's OpEd. "Not wanting to embarrass his American guest, Mr. Sharif [Pak Prime Minister] asked obliquely, "Do you think China would give us a security guarantee?" I replied that I doubted it, and, going on to answer his implied question, I said that for the United States to do so would require a far greater understanding among Americans and in the Congress of the stakes involved." After reading the above excerpt from the McFarlane's article,I don't blame McFarlane for making the comment,I mean look at this guy Sharif of Pakistan the guy seems scared and begging for help and old Bod kinda fell sorry for him is all. It looks like Sharif is a showman and desperately needs some outside 'powers' to get involved and protect them and then solve the Kashmir problem in Pak's favor for them that is about the size of it, I guess some people don't have any pride. Here is a bit about the Iran-Contra thing. "In 1984, President Reagan directed McFarlane to keep the financially strapped Nicaraguan contras alive as a viable fighting force, despite a ban on U.S. military assistance, McFarlane assigned the job to North. North kept McFarlane generally informed of his efforts on behalf of the contras, which McFarlane told North to undertake in utmost secrecy. When Congress in 1985 inquired about press reports of North's contra-aid efforts, McFarlane denied the allegations. In 1985, McFarlane and Casey were the chief advocates of weapons sales to Iran in exchange for the release of American hostages held by pro-Iranian terrorists in Beirut; again, McFarlane turned to North to help implement, in utmost secrecy, the arms-for-hostages deals. Although McFarlane resigned as national security adviser in December 1985, he stayed in contact with his former deputy and successor, Navy Vice Adm. John M. Poindexter, and with North. He remained involved in the Iran weapons sales, acting as President Reagan's emissary on a mission to Tehran in May 1986. In November 1986, McFarlane helped Poindexter and North conceal details of the Iran initiative, just as they had done when the operation was underway. Beginning in December 1986 after the public exposure of Iran/contra, McFarlane voluntarily provided information to Congress, to President Reagan's Tower Commission and to Independent Counsel. Because McFarlane was only partially truthful, it was difficult for investigators to determine on which matters he could be believed. Further complicating the matter was the fact that McFarlane's testimony was, in some crucial respects, at odds with that of other senior Reagan Administration officials. McFarlane, for example, stood alone in insisting that President Reagan had approved the earliest 1985 sales of U.S. arms to Iran by Israel and had agreed to replenish Israeli weapons stocks. It was only after contemporary notes recording the events in question were discovered late in Independent Counsel's investigation that much of what McFarlane said could be verified. His desire to keep secret certain contra-assistance activities resulted in criminal charges being brought against him. After lengthy negotiations with Independent Counsel, McFarlane on March 11, 1988, pleaded guilty to four misdemeanor charges that he unlawfully withheld information from Congress about North's contra-support activities and about the solicitation of foreign funding for the contras. As a condition of his plea, he agreed to cooperate with the ongoing criminal investigation. On December 24, 1992, McFarlane was one of six Iran/contra defendants pardoned by President Bush. Here is the whole deal about Iran-Contra affair. fas.org As for Nations and friendship I believe there is no such thing.I will have to go along with the saying [don't recall who,possibly a U.S President] 'Countries don't have friends they have INTERESTS.If you need a friend get a dog' or something like that.I think that pretty much sums up Nationhood and friendship.

To: Rational who wrote (1154)	5/31/1998 12:24:00 AM
From: JPR	Respond to of 12475

Why America did not befriend India, even though it has been a democratic country for 50 years. I suppose that the following reasons apply: Things mentioned here have changed a lot for the better, but not to the extent we expect. 1:Primarily because India is a nation of Hindus and a third world country. All the presidents , members of the congress and senate had very rudimentary knowledge of India ,and Hindu religion and their culture They are all familiar with Jewish and Muslim religions because of their common heritage and proximity to Christianity. The schools and colleges were very poor sources of knowledge about India. America is Eurocentric and therefore India is a distant entity in its political and cultural consciousness. 2: India, in order to make an impression on America should have all the modern amenities, and a political philosophy leaning on and in line with America's domestic and foreign policy. America always believes that "a friend of my enemy is my enemy or a friend of my friend is my friend". 3: Before America was exposed to software engineers, doctors, businessmen etc, Indians were regarded as snake charmers, rope tricksters and elephant riders. In the past even a CEO of a company will only think of an Indian as described above. Such colossal ignorance. Nothing worthwhile can exist outside America or Eurocentric context. 4 Color: They can understand Black and White. Any shade in between is hard to understand. Many of them were exposed to Chinese and Japanese. Some of them are so imbued in their own glory that they did not think that somebody worthwhile could exist outside their Eurocentric circle. 5: Noneuropeans were regarded with suspicion, and contempt and could not be trusted. Immigration from third world countries is changing this attitude. But if it is not for the goodness of many Americans and existing laws, we will not enjoying the freedom we have here. Many immigrants from oppressed countries can attest to it. JPR