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To: Meathead who wrote (45925)	6/2/1998 9:15:00 AM
From: james gheith	Respond to of 176387

Before the bell. 80 1/4

To: Meathead who wrote (45925)	6/2/1998 12:03:00 PM
From: SecularBull	Respond to of 176387

IBM to exit PC business????

To: Meathead who wrote (45925)	6/3/1998 7:15:00 AM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 176387

Hi Meathead; Regarding: Take out the silicon and you still have copper, fiberglass, caps, resistors, inductors, headers, connectors, plastic casing, platters, heads, a tube, cables, sockets, switches etc. Gwenapp is right, the silicon content is small. About $100 in our cheap PC example. You can't deny that. For these things to get much cheaper, their physical makeup would have to change.. i.e. more integration. The above statement, intended to support the minimum cost of building a PC, isn't true. The reason is that increased integration eliminates the need for copper, fiberglass, caps, resistors, inductors, headers, connectors, sockets, switches, cables, etc. Combine two ICs, into one IC, and you eliminate the connections between them. As far as the cost of building a complete 486 nowadays, I'll have to look for a link, but I believe I can show you that other than the monitor, it can be amazingly cheap. -- Carl

To: Meathead who wrote (45925)	6/3/1998 8:11:00 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 176387

Hi Meathead; For that cheap '486 machine, designed with modern technology, you might try this part: Check this link to get a parts count for a complete '486 machine: AMD product brief for Elan SC400: amd.com Here's a link giving pricing: Engineering samples of the lanSC400 microcontroller are available now. Contact your local AMD sales office to schedule an evaluation board-based demonstration. The lanSC400 is available in a 33-MHz version priced at $39 per unit, and a 66-MHz version priced at $44 per unit, both in quantities of 25K. The microcontroller will ship in a 292-ball grid array (BGA) package. amd.com Pretty cheap, huh? Fact is, that integration reduces the amount of connection expenses, i.e. PC Board, sockets, etc. P.S. If you don't know how to cost out a full PC from the above references, I will do it for you later. Got to go for now. Wish me luck in the market... -- Carl