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To: Alan Buckley who wrote (19866)	6/2/1998 4:42:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 24154

I think you don't know what you're talking about, Alan. The original Apple suit primarily targeted HP's "Open Look". Remember that one? I didn't think so. I'll go check the dates, but like I said the whole thing predated any successful version of Windows. At the time it started, Windows was not hammering Apple, Bill and Co. were busily reverse engineering the Mac. They were imitating, I mean innovating as usual. Windows may have become more central before the case ran its course, I'm not sure how long it lasted. And I muchly doubt it ever got past the trial level. Supreme Court? Like I said, I don't think you know what you're talking about. As for Dan's of the day, I can't say, but I personally thought the Apple suit was silly, as everybody knew about Xerox. And I certainly wasn't pulling for Apple, I was never a Mac head. Them guys are worse than the Microphiles around here. ...that makes it look like MSFT is a ruthless, determined, and aggressive competitor. So? That's already the public's perception. If anything, this will add to the Gates mythology, which is a net positive for the company. Yeah, right. That's exactly the image Microsoft spends all its PR dollars portraying. That's why Encarta says Bill Gates is famous for his philantropy. That's why Bill went on Barbara Walters to sing "Twinkle twinkle". That's why we had "Kinder, Gentler Microsoft", versions 1,2, and 3. Give me a break. I'm sorry, but I don't see any evidence that there's any widespread groundswell for the "Who is John Galt" view of the world. Maybe I move in the wrong circles. Cheers, Dan.

To: Alan Buckley who wrote (19866)	6/5/1998 1:43:00 AM
From: Charles Hughes	Respond to of 24154

>>The Dan's of the day predicted loudly and passionately that the Apple case would be the end of Microsoft and that the bad PR would irreparably damage their reputation. It didn't. <<< This is all wrong, Alan. First of all, the Dans (and Chazs) of the day were they same people they are today. This didn't happen in the 19th century. Second, everybody conscious in computing then knew that Apple got the windowing interface (and other goodies) from Xerox, where everyone else got it, so nobody but a few young Apple groupies and Scully thought the suit was legitimate. And this is what we were saying at the time. But the thing most harmful to your argument is that when Xerox went to bat against Apple, Microsoft, and everybody else doing windowing GUIs for infringement, they got paid. MSFT had to license the concepts when it came down to a big company with a legitimate complaint. Xerox wasn't some little 10-developer house they could just squash like jello. Neither is the DOJ. Have a nice day, Chaz