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Non-Tech : MB TRADING -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Brentsky who wrote (349)6/3/1998 1:13:00 PM
From: Dave Twibell  Respond to of 7382
 
Does anyone know whether it is currently possible to trade options with MBTrading? If so, any comments on your experiences with them? Thanks.

Dave



To: Brentsky who wrote (349)6/3/1998 4:23:00 PM
From: Clarence Dodge  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7382
 
Brentsky

Thanks for sharing your well nourished thoughts.... you've verbalized some bottom line issues which I had only vague rumblings about in the back of my mind. If I was ready to pull the trigger now, which I am fortunately not, I believe prudence would tell me to go with MB as the more matured product. I think Cyber... needs more time to shake out, at least for the less adventurous users amongst us.

>I got into this ridiculous and time
>consuming comparison of everything from
> order entry buttons to connectivity >options.

Time consuming, yes.......ridiculous, I disagree... you now are familiar with two systems with which to trade and may in the future be able to utilize feature ideas from Cyber into MB in an optional system setup scenario. I don't think one can every know to much detail about the tools available to the trader. The real deal is to know alot but use very little. Also I'll bet your bottom line realizations would not have been so clear if you had not mentally 'handled' the products so extensively in light of all the thread pressure to go with CT, at least early on in your posts.

>But, because MB uses the Real Tick
> software, there is less for me to
>learn if I have to switch brokers.

Do you mean this is a fact because Cyber is derived from Real Tick or another meaning?

>However, the deal with Pristine is strange.

I agree with you there. I've been dling the nitely audio feeds from Pristine . Mr. Velez is IMHO an exceptional perveyer (sp?) of instruction in the ways of the markets. He is very articulated thru analogy and would be helpful to those of us who don't already know too much. But I fear that number is small within the Cybertraders group who post here on SI at least. But mention has been made weeks ago, on the audio feed,of a mysterious new SW which Pristine will be offering to its members. But, like the Cybertrader thread post by Mr Velez, no further detailings have been offered even when inquiries have been posted by high paying Pristine Chat room members. Maybe the deal between Pristine and CyberCorp is on shaky ground.
BTW there is also a 9:00 PM (post time) market commentary on the Pristine site by Gene Inger which I highly recommend called The Pristine Daily Briefing. Freee til 6/12.

>If the big boys
> ever decide to start offering high-
>end systems, both may go the way of the
> Osborne.

I think the big boys are making too much money off order flow and spreads from the traditional online brokers to what to change the status quo any time soon.

>I keep reminding myself that the computer,
>software and even the broker, are
> just tools to trading. Cut your
>losses short if any become a problem.

I agree about cutting losses and moving on to the next ( and you already know Cybertrader <g>) But I'm really big on the right tool for the right job. Computerized trading is a lot like fine cabinetmaking in that respect. But then again I've been accused of being too process oriented many a time...... Hope to be a brokermate of yours one of these days...... and I wish you luck with your new SW....

Clarence



To: Brentsky who wrote (349)6/4/1998 12:17:00 AM
From: Philip R Berber  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7382
 
I stumbled onto this thread and wanted to add some perspective

MB Trading have done an excellent job in marketing Townsend Analytic's Real Tick software and Terra Nova's Broker Dealer

The appraoch at CyBerCorp is to create a premier technology, which most already regrard as the most advanced and powerful, and electronic brokerage firm under one roof. The technology is designed and developed in house - which means that CyBerTrader can respond to traders requests and add in new functions and features quickly and directly

For example, you spoke of the new version of CyBerTrader which shall be shipped in Beta version to CyBerBroker clients early next week

In summary, CyBerTrader 1.6 Beta shall include:

LISTED STOCKS

Over the past year or so CyBerTrader has evolved from being a SOES-style traders tool to a far broader trading platform. For some time now we have been preparing to evolve the technology from a SOES/OTC platform, to a true US stock markets technology. CyBerTrader 1.6 Beta is just that - with the addition of NYSE and AMEX stocks. It provides a SuperDOT execution platform, integrated seamlessly within the CyBerTrader. With 1.6 Beta, all of CyBerTrader's decision support, risk management, P&L, charting and other tools have all of the listed stocks running through them.

INSTADOT

CyBerTrader already allows traders to send orders directly to the leading day trading ECNs, such as Island and TNTO with ATTAIN planned next. Yet much of the institutional volume is executed through Instinet. We have created a proprietary and unique technology, called InstaDOT, which provides an electronic order routing mechanism to Instinet. With 1.6 Beta, simply hit F1 - F4, holding down the Alt key, and you will have directed an order for execution on Instinet. When the order is filled, it will automatically appear in your Account Manager, Open Trades and Position Manager. Further Instinet related developments are currently being designed.

FASTER ISLAND DATA AND EXECUTIONS

Island remains the key ECN for many day traders. CyBerTrader already provides "quantitative order flow" by way of the Island Open Orders and Executions windows. With 1.6 Beta, and as a result of our new ITCH/OUCH server technology, we have taken it one step further - faster Island data display and consequently faster Island executions.

Simply put, we are now able to display Island data directly from Island and up to three seconds faster that is currently displayed through third party data feeds. This speed advantage allows you to see Island first - and to execute off that data, sometimes before others have even seen the data!

SEE THE ISLAND "BOOK"

CyBerTrader now allows traders to bring up the new "Island Book" window, which looks similar to a Stock Box. This feature is dedicated to showing all of the Island bids and offers, and the size associated with each, for any stock selected. Prior to this you were restricted to seeing the inside quote only - now you can really see how many orders are out there on Island, bids and offers, and see how much size is associated with each. And since 1.6 Beta is using the new ITCH/OUTCH server technology, the Island Book contains the most direct and fastest Island data display. You can link the Island Book to any Stock Box so that you can always see, at a glance, the depth and pricing of the Island book.

MARKETVIEW

Want to see a broad range of market data on selected stocks in one window? Now you can. MarketView allows you to selected from up to 14 criteria such as Last Trade, Today's Open, Yesterday's Close, Change from the Close, Bid, Ask, Volume at the Bid and Ask, Volume etc. You simply pick which stocks and which criteria you want to track - and be able to see it all at a glance anytime during the day.

NEXTGEN GUI

NextGen GUI refers to Next Generation Graphical User Interface. Here we are talking about converting text and numbers relating to market data flows into a graphical, color display. The first version of this has been attached to the Dynamic Ticker in 1.6 Beta, which tracks all of the Bid, Ask, Uptick, Downtick, Refresh type activity for all market makers for any stock selected.
Using mathematical, engineering and computing concepts we have created a unique and proprietary "dynamic bar graph" that converts market data into a visual graphical representation. The concepts behind it are quite complicated so we have included a Help file that explains all. Once you see it in action, you'll be able to "perceive" market maker data flows and activity without looking at the text and numbers - by simply watching the bar graph. More of these types of next generation market display tools are on the way.

NEWS FILTERS

You can now "query" the news wire for stories on selected stocks. So if a stock appears in your decision support tools or you simply want to see what the latest stories are for a particular stock, and you want to see what might be behind the activity or move, simply query the News service for the Headlines. If the story came out that day, you can click on the headline and get the full story. You will need to have subscribed to Dow Jones News Service and set it up within CyBerTrader to avail of this.

PROXIMITY ALERTS

When we started showing traders those stocks that hit intra day and 52 week highs and lows we opened up a number of additional trading opportunities each day. What if we could tell you about such events prior to them happening? The Proximity Alerts allow you to do just that!

With 1.6 Beta, you can set up CyBerTrader to alert you to an intra day or 52 week high or low prior to and as it approaches that level. And each trader can pick how close or far away from that level the stock needs to be before you are alerted. So that you can act or prepared to act before others even know about it! Always trying to give CyBerTraders an edge!

NEW STOCK BOX

The new Stock Box is worth getting to know, and use fully. In the background we have re-written the code in C, which makes it faster and more efficient. In the foreground, you will see a number of important improvements in term of the tools and controls within the Stock Box. From Color and Font controls to Display Options to a much neater and faster mechanism for changing share size. Get to know the new tools, you'll like it!

NEW GRAPHS

The new Graphs have also been re-written in C with the same benefits. You'll see that the look and feel of the charting package has improved plus it's evolving into a Technical Analysis graphical package. Being able to overlay stock indices as well as see the intra day volume bar are just two of the new features, along with full Color and Font control. Plus Crosshair trend lines and the ability to draw in your own trendlines.

CONTROLS/OPTIONS/COLORS AND FONTS

Color and Font controls have been added extensively within the Workstation front end as well as many display and control functions and options. Best advice it to explore these new tools and get to know them so that you can tailor your Workstation, more than ever, to your particular needs and trading style.

NEW MOUSE DRIVEN FEATURES

You can now enter orders using the new (optional) Execution window using your mouse. Simply point and click. There are a number of simple yet clever features within the Execution window that makes this new feature easy and clear to use. Some of us will always be "hit the keys' types - other have been asking for point and click for a while - so here it is!

The other new mouse driven feature is the ability to "paste" stocks at the click of the mouse and touch of a button into a ticker, "on the fly". Simply enter the stock symbol into the Stock box, click the mouse in the Decision Support/Ticker window of your choice, and then press Ctrl+V - and the stock immediately appears in that window. Try it, you'll like it - it's powerful and fast.

As to whether CyberTrader equals MB, as you put it, most who have come to understand and/or the depth of functionality within CyBerTrader may have put the question the other way around

I would encourage you to get to know CyberTrader better,

I wonder why you say CyBerTrader is small - how many do you think MB employs and how many work at CyBerCorp?

And you might find that the servcie aspect that you say CyberBroker want to be is exactly what you will need when in the market, trading, as oppsed to the less friendly response you seem to speak of when you speak to the MB people. And when you need technical support from MB Trading, they will be calliing Terra Nova for technical help. And if Terra Nova need help with the software they will be calling Townsend. All are fine firms doing a good job. Its just that there is no one point at which the buck stops and the job gets done

MB Trading are doing a good job as a branch of Terra Nova and are doing a good marketing job for both Terra Nova and Real Tick,

CyBerCorp is an integrated technology and brokerage firm serving professional active traders with a high end and propriatary trading technology

CyBerTrader is a high end integrated trading environment

CyBerT is a easy to use version of CyBerTrader for professional traders

CyBerBroker is a servcie orientated electronic brokerage firm

CyBerCenter is CyBerCorp's central networking and server center

I hope this help clarify some of the points you raised

You may also want to speak further to CyBerTraders on the SI "CyBerTrader" thread

Best wishes

PRB
CEO
CyBerCorp Inc